for those of you who still pollute yourself with reddit, have you seen it anywhere since? it must have been purpose-built for CTH because I haven't seen a single reddit user mention it happening post-ban, not even a warning
my favorite is when they said they had "reduced hate speech by 18%"
by definition to get a percentage you need to identify all hate speech
if you can identify all hate speech why can't you reduce it 100%?
reddit be like
we reduced hate speech!
also reddit
doesn't ban stupidpol
reddit: you can call Chinese people insects that need to be eradicated, but don' t you dare imply that police are bad. that's hateful
Per harassment training at my work, military/vets are a protected group
I keep seeing people say this, but I don't know why they'd need to be able to identify all the hate speech on the website to have some measure of it.
to reduce something by a percentage you have to know how much of it there was in total, right? you need a denominator for your fraction
EDIT: note that "reduced reported hate speech by 18%" is a vastly weaker and shittier claim and probably what they really did
You'd need a denominator for something like "percent of comments on reddit that are hate speech," but they just claimed a shift in the total.
They probably did something like measure a reduction in reported hate speech, yes. But that's accurate insofar as hate speech is correlated with hate speech reports, which is a reasonable enough measure that I wouldn't fault them for just calling them the same thing.
The only actions they could take to reduce hate speech to 0% using that metric would be to remove the report button (obviously bad, there are limits to unthinkingly following metrics) or removing the entire website (obviously good, not sure why they haven't to be honest).
a shift in the total.
then you'd need to know the total in both cases
accurate insofar as hate speech is correlated with hate speech reports, which is a reasonable enough measure that I wouldn’t fault them for just calling them the same thing.
this is where we disagree
I know it's more humid today than it was yesterday, and I have not weighed all the water in the sky.
also I think you missed the addition, but I completely disagree that fudging the difference between "reported hate speech" is reasonable
the internet is fucking full of botnets and armies, have you not seen how easy it is to flip the switch on a twitter account
you can tell sign (direction of the change) but you can't tell proportion without some kind of tally of the total.
for this to track you'd have to have a verifiable way to determine whether a comment was hate speech
EDIT: verifiable automated way
They can sample their reports queue.
It's not like my humidity sensor is perfectly accurate either.
and again I completely disagree that reports are a good substitute. bet you could buy 5000 reports for ten dollars
Okay, sure?
At this point you're talking about something very different from what you originally said though. Why not just say that they're probably measuring reports and you think those are bullshit? Instead of phrasing it in the form of a weird rejection to the concept of measuring things.
the fact that they dropped "reported" was the point I guess mainly because reddit admins are lying assholes
Catch me wildin out with the total probability denominator of the Bayes law term.
What's the total probability?
I dunno, 1, I guess.
-The entire branch of statistics I'm most familiar with.
even if they did that... why would they not just "reduce verified hate speech by 100%" that is, hate speech which was reported and then verified.
that they couldnt even delete one out of five reported hate messages (because they couldnt verify?) is hilariously bad too
I'm still mad I never got one of those warnings. I upvoted all the posts that I thought would make them mad, too.
I never got one either. I also never got the sitewide 3-day bans. I wonder if that means our accounts can create new subreddits without them immediately getting banned for ban evasion?
done, will check in the morning and see if it got deleted. I kept it anodyne so act like geeks: https://old.reddit.com/r/weathervane/
don't click that link, copy-paste it into your browser.
don’t click that link, copy-paste it into your browser.
@Beatnik said that chapo chat strips all referral data from links, so it should be safe to click links.
I've been upvoting some pretty spicy stuff on SRAWeekend and GenZedong lately and haven't gotten any notices, so I suppose that it's possible
Careful, you radical! Violence against slave owners never solved anything.
They just need a good talking to.
It was based on posting history and account age I think. My 8 year old account had enough default chatter to make it immune. I made a burner though and just posted to chapo then other places and got insta banned and warned.
If you make a subreddit it'll be auto-banned though, that's what happened to all the new Bad Faith pod subs.
By making subreddits with dumb names maybe, but beyond that no.
Someone make r/RedditorsForBLM and have it be auto-banned, then screenshot to other subs for outrage.
Same. I went out of my way to try and get that message. Goddamn that shit was weird.
I have not seen it mentioned anywhere since the ban wave.
One time after I was unbanned I just upvoted stuff on the knitting and coronavirus subs and I still got banned by the end of the day for the same reason as before.
I caught something like eleven consecutive 3-day bans, even though I stopped voting on anything after the second one
They probably flag comments after report, which takes a while. They finally flag a comment you upvoted, and that's when you get hit again.
I think they just put a marker on your account the first time you get banned and just renew it as often as they can.
for me the 3-day bans stopped entirely the week before the subreddit banwave and not even a warning since
It was similar for me. I had around 8 or 9 consecutive 3-day bans. They started the day after protesters burned the police station down in Minneapolis and ended shortly before the subreddit was banned.
I got temp-banned for advocating the killing of slave owners after Reddit came out with its explicitly pro-slaveowner stance, so I went on an alt account and did the same thing. They changed my temp ban to a permaban ... on all my accounts, including a couple of dedicated non-political ones.
I can only imagine I personally upset an admin somewhere by advocating the killing of slave owners lmao
