I got an email about support ending in October 2025; isn't this still extremely early? Aren't they usually about two or three versions of windows down the line before they end updates?
I don't want windows 11 (and no I don't want Linux either, knock it off); this is ridiculous.
Even though i have no gaemz, my video card drivers are barely working, my RAM randomly shits itself, and I smell burning whenever I charge my headphones through the USB, I still laugh at windows users desperately cling to their spyware OS. Yeah, enjoy your video games.
Sure, the closest thing to entertainment Linux offers is firing up Gimp and hoping it doesn't spontaneously combust your hard drive, but at least I'm free!
and no I don't want Linux either, knock it off
Sweetie, you need your Linux medicine 💊... Take the fucking pill or it'll be injections!!!
There’s people who already commented how to avoid the update by changing to ltsc or just not doing it. But how will you get security updates?
There’s a company called 0patch that makes em. They don’t even need a restart to apply like the ms ones do. It’s ~$25 a year.
The alternative is to switch to a mac, which isn’t a bad choice tbh once you can tank the buy-in.
well ltsc will have security patches til 2027 or whatever.
(also the better alternative is 1000% to switch to linux, not a pc brand that costs 2-3x as much and runs a slightly more pleasant but still ultimately kinda shitty OS)
My brother has to reformat a laptop because the is petition isn't big enough for windows 11, and it's 80 gigs
But how else will Windows 11 mine crypto in the background?
Without Win 11 or Linux (you really should... no no nevermind...) I think you fall into the category of "fucked." macOS exists but it's hugely overpriced (of course I won't argue their hardware is usually very high end, feels and look great. Software is ok, although I never feel like macs are "built to do anything" other than iMessage (which I have a phone for) and browse the internet in a visually appealing way (which isn't worth $2K). I also refuse to buy one for access to full Apple development. That's monopolistic bullshit that should've been crushed a decade ago.
Anyway, Win 11 and 10 are effectively the same. I don't know why people started acting like 11 was so dogshit and 10 was fine. They're both kinda dogshit. Overbloated, poorly optimized dogshit. MS crammed BING! into every corner of it along with their "straight to the NSA" cloud shit which I would never use even if it was 100TB for free. Ok, maybe then...
people always retcon versions of windows into being fine or even "good" as they gain market share and then get discontinued in favor of an even more enshittified version. The trajectory is mostly just towards bad, but people hyperfocus on relatively small annoyances in the new version, or performance issues when they updated their old PC to the new version, and then deem the new one as absolute trash. holdouts will skip a version but then eventually be forced to upgrade, and the consensus ends up being "every other windows release is dogshit" but really they're all bad, it's just frog-in-boiling-pot strategy from microsoft slowly making the shitty parts more intrusive and locked down and spying more.
Linux otoh despite occasional blunders here and there by different distros and developers of software components is mostly trending upwards
Windows peaked with 2000 and it has been downhill since then.
Yes, MS is getting more aggressive in their end of life terms for the general availability channel releases (Home, Pro). Use Windows 10 LTSC (EOL 2027) or Windows 10 IoT LTSC (EOL 2032) to avoid this.
Download the one you want from here: https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links
Optionally, you can customise the install media using NTLite if you want to automate customisation/debloating. Test in a VM first before deploying.
Once installed, activate using https://massgrave.dev/ using the
HWIDoption.Windows 11 requires a CPU that includes a "trusted platform module" (TPM), which basically just adds boot-time crypto support in hardware and is supposed to help cut down on stuff like boot sector and firmware-based malware. Older CPUs didn't have the version of TPM required by Win11 (TPM 2.0), so this is planned obsolescence biting us all in the ass, as well as a personal "fuck you" from Microsoft to AMD first-gen Ryzen owners.
Intel has supported TPM 2.0 since the 8th gen (e.g., the i7-8700K generation) and AMD has supported it since the Ryzen 2000/Zen+ series (e.g., Ryzen 7 2700).
I guess they wanted to make sure that all of the spyware uses signed code and comes from a "trusted" source.
Ah, weird. If TPM is disabled in BIOS, that will do it.
I don't want windows 11
Hey, you should try L—
(and no I don't want Linux either, knock it off)
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You should try FreeBSD /jk
I think you can shut off updates right before EoL on Windows 10 and avoid upgrading to 11 but over time your system will probably gradually become less secure. If you use it in a safe manner, I think you should mostly be ok though. You might start seeing support end for some of the software you use but that probably won't be any time soon.
Windows 7 was so good, the fact they came out with windows 10 shortly after, and then windows 11 shortly after that one and decided yup, 11 is the one we want to have longevity with keeps Microshit winning. What a great company.
I don't want windows 11 (and no I don't want Linux either, knock it off); this is ridiculous.
Then get ready to pay the Apple Tax.
The Apple tax is more than made up for with all the bullshit you have to put with on Winblow
While I left Windows a long time ago- I'm using Win 11 for work.
Once you get past the ad placement in the start menu, and HW barriers to installation it really isn't that bad. I've had fewer overall crashes than Win 10 so far, and compatibility has been OK.
In principal the advertising and the spying etc is really infuriating, but hey, that's where everything is headed anyway.
