• Awoo [she/her]
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    chomsky-yes-honey "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."

    Noam's a shit but when he's right he's right.

  • Weedian [he/him]
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    Andrew Johnson for completely fucking up reconstruction

    GWB for the reasons already posted

    Brandon for the reasons already posted

  • Crowtee_Robot [he/him]
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    It's always "the worst president I can remember" when this sort of question is posed. Dubya, and now Biden, are strong contenders for the worst of the worst, but these discussions reveal more about the abysmal state of US History education more and the power of recency bias than any thoughtful look at the the US presidency.

    • Lussy [any, hy/hym]
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      W is the worst of the noderns by far, not sure why you think Trump or Obamer were so good. Biden’s probably the least worst, he hasn’t done anythkng

      Modern pres (post 90s)I’d probably rank it:

      1. W
      2. Bill Killington
      3. Tie between HWBush and Obama
      4. Turnip
      5. Biden
      • Crowtee_Robot [he/him]
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        All US Presidents are bad presidents but if we're gonna play their game and rank all 47 of them as the worst or whatever then I'd still put Trump and Obama in the uniquely bad category with most post FDR presidents, if only because they weren't the absolute worst of the worst because of limitations surrounding the office at the time of their terms. Every POTUS is awful but not everyone gets the opportunity to demonstrate the fullest extent of their awfulness.

  • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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    I don't know the order, but Andrew Johnson, W Bush, Jackson, Truman would definitely get the top spots - the S teir of the worst. Reagan could go on there, Nixon too probably but their both at least A teir. Then basically all of the rest of them. FDR and Lincoln get the to be in the not as bad as the rest of them tier.

  • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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    IMO there's really only two choices, Andrew Johnson as already stated by Weedian for ruining any chance for a positive post-civil war reconstruction and Harry Truman for almost single handedly fucking up the New Deal era internationalist projects in favor of the American Century.

  • GrumpigPoopBalls [he/him]
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    I feel like James Buchanan is really hard to beat if you aren't evaluating them from a leftist perspective (trying to get into the lemmitor mindset here). He basically sat back and let everything deteriorate to the point where the civil war happened while occasionally pouring gasoline onto the fire

    • Lussy [any, hy/hym]
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      The Civil war was a good thing, it’s like the one ray of sunshine in American history

  • Parzivus [any]
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    Spicy take: Roosevelt (and the New Deal Democrats), for successfully suppressing leftism in America. I'm like half convinced that if the CCC never existed we'd be commies by now.

      • Parzivus [any]
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        The US government implemented a partially planned economy to recover from the great depression. Massive jobs programs like the CCC are one of a number of ways that they were willing to actually help alleviate the material conditions of the average American. I don't know if a revolution would've occured under a Republican government, but it definitely couldn't happen under Roosevelt.

        Things usually have to get really bad for popular revolutions to actually take hold. Like, "my family is starving to death" tier. Whether that revolution is communist is more difficult, but poor conditions are the baseline for any revolution (IMO).

    • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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      1 day ago

      It's entirely arguable that he's the worst president in history. The entire point of his term was to keep Trump out of office and he couldn't even do that.

      • someone [comrade/them, they/them]
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        1 day ago

        Biden is also possibly the worst American politician in history, in terms of damage done to the working class by his own hand throughout his political career.

        • Parzivus [any]
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          Yeah Biden as president was braindead but Biden as a senator was a genuinely evil motherfucker

          • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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            Pro- segragation. Architect of the Modern Jim Crow (Crime Bill). Most extreme Zionist in the US Gov, even before hardcore Zionism was the de facto position of all US politicians. Whipped votes for the Iraq War - and just massive imperial warhawk in general. Talked about cutting Social Security for about 30 years, and while Vice President went behind Obama's back on the issue. He's the reason student loans can't be discharged by bankruptcy. He was a bagman for the banks his entire time in the Senate.

            On top of that he's also a creepy asshole narcissist.

    • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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      Biden literally set the world on fucking fire and kicked off a genocide and yet N O T H I N G

      Which cold war president has not done the following ? smuglord

      All, just to say, following precedent, Biden is more or less on par as the average president ghoul, after Trump's COVID fuck up, Obama's Middle Eastern ravachole (possible genocide in Yemen) , Bush Jr's Iraq War, etc.

      Korean "War", under Eisenhower

      Any president involved in Vietnam war

      Reagan's anti communist crusade in Latin America (eg. Mayan genocide, Latin American death squads)

      Heck, I'd tell ye this, if Trump didn't fudge up COVID policy, he'd be remembered as a Nixon-esque figure, domestically

  • FuckyWucky [none/use name]
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    Bush ez mission-accomplished

    Trump was kinda mid foreign wars wise, like yea sure he did the Jerusalem thing and there is a Golan Heights settlement named after him but it took some time for consequences. That 'I write the Theory trump-drenched while you do the Praxis brandon ' shit

    • gay_king_prince_charles [she/her, he/him]
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      Bush hasn't caused the centuries worth of damage that Jackson and Johnson have caused. He was a monster but I'm not sure if we will still be recovering from him in 2184 the way we are with Johnson

  • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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    From what I heard in podcasts years ago (quite the history education, I know), if I define worst in terms of CURRENT RELEVANCE alongside competence and ill intent, the George H Bush sticks out to me as the Darth Vader of the privatization of the military and the current model of imperialism. He had the backing of big oil. He was in the CIA when JFK got owned. He was conventional and orthodox evil. He was a clever little weasel.

  • RiotDoll [she/her, she/her]
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    i spend some time oscillating between thinking it's kronos and then ouranos and then kronos again but tbqh i think what we need is a palate cleanser, and we just need to let aries finish us off