• duderium [he/him]
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    So many people here recommended “it could happen here.” I listened to a little and enjoyed. Then I listened to the recent behind the bastards episode on Nazism and found it packed with lib shit. Imagine trying to explain fascism with little to no class or economic analysis. His co-host was also insufferable and gave off strong Warren fangirl vibes.

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      His podcast Worst Year Ever has the worst fucking cohosts. Cody is a lib but tolerable. Katey sees politicians as friends and gets overly defensive of the ones she relates to while not actually defending their views, just saying they're a bad ass woman or some other bs.

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        Agreed, they never have any good takes and just break up the flow in a janky way

        that's said out of them all billy wayne davis from the fake doctor eps seems to have the best rapport with Robert

        • hauntingspectre [he/him]
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          I actually am surprised Billy Wayne Davis hasn't come back, the ep where they just shared weird stories from traveling America was great.

        • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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          Some of them are definitely less annoying than others, but like you said, none of them ever have any interesting input.

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            Robert: says something

            Guest: yeah, its kinda like when you know when 'repeats analogy that doesn't even remotely fit' yeah it's 'repeats what just robert said in a stupider way then trails off...'

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            The guest from the Black Panthers two-parter was pretty good, but those are the only episodes I've listened to aside from the Ben Shapiro's Book episodes, so I don't know if he's just uniquely good

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        I’ve read / am reading a bunch of books on fascism, Hitler, and Weimar Germany, and the takes on that episode just seemed stunningly superficial. (The cohost even blamed workers for Nazism IIRC). The Mass Psychology of Fascism, Blackshirts and Reds, Hitler: The Psychopathic God, and even a popular left-liberal history like Before the Deluge are so much sharper and more detailed.

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            That’s true, but podcasts like Revolutionary Left, Why Theory, or Red Library definitely go so much deeper.

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            I don’t know that it’s completely right because I’m not an expert, but it seems sound to me. It’s basically an effort to explain where fascism comes from and how the Nazis seized power in a place with such strong leftwing support as Weimar Germany (which I think had the largest communist party outside of Russia during this time). It also attempts to explain why some workers vote for or support fascists. Reich is sort of like the Freud of Freud: he leans heavily on sexual repression to explain things but does a good job of linking this to economics. I think the book’s wikipedia page actually does a good job of summarizing it. Later on Reich either turned into a kook or discovered more ideas that few of us are prepared to accept.

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                I read that as lib-in-denial energy the first time. Still made sense.

            • hauntingspectre [he/him]
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              If you ever get bored, "On the Psychology of Military Incompetence" is one of the weirdest, yet funniest books I've ever read. A strict Freudian (literally, with the anal phase, etc.) tries to psychoanalyze failed generals.

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      I went back and listened to the first episode of BTB after people recommended it. The first episode is about that terrible tyrant Stalin. I decided to just skip to a random part of the episode. They were discussing a book called something like "Psychology of Tyrants: Hitler, Stalin, and Genghis Khan."

      And their entire discussion was about how Stalin supposedly made all the top soviet officials go on benders with him, every single night. Hahaha, all these Russians drunk on vodka all the time. And then they said Stalin was pathologically afraid of being alone. And then they said it was actually a test of loyalty. And then they said "Stalin died miserable, paranoid, and alone. That's what you get for genociding 30 million people." And that's when I decided not to listen to the podcast anymore. If I wanted to hear the lies of Western "historians" like robert conquest I could watch documentaries on Netflix.

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    It wasn't a coup it was just ugh, overthrow of an elected government by a military.

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    I absolutely love how in this instance it really wasn't more complex than what 'western leftists' said. It was a US backed coup of a popular left wing latin American govt.

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    But I am sure it is more complex and painful than whatever 280 character summary you've read from a CIA bot makes it out to be.

    Fixed it for him.

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      The reality is that MAS got the most votes in both elections.

      Them being good or bad doesn't matter.

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    I still have no "take" on Bolivia.

    well shit, your station chief should have briefed you

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      More people should not have takes. (Nothing personal, just twitter would be significantly better if more people paused to ask "do I actually know anything about this?")

      Join ATA (anti-take aktion) today!

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        but tweets like that don't drive engagement or build a personal brand! likes! retweets! points! followers!

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    People here think robert's CIA for reporting for bellingcat and being against the Assad regime right?

    Well whatever he's on the frontline of portland every weekend,, 'the woman's war' is an actual good exploration of rojava from someone who's actually been there, rather than just the competing takes from online anarchists and 'tankies', behind the bastards is currently exposing the Jordan Peterson to fash pipeline

    He does good work, I like him, come at me

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      I thought It Could Happen Here was great.

      Sometimes liberals do good stuff - just dont go to him for your politics

      People here think robert’s CIA for reporting for bellingcat and being against the Assad regime right?

      Let's be clear - Bellingcat get funding from NED which means they're defacto CIA.

      So either Bellingcat is directly overseen by the CIA or Robert Evans is putting out what the CIA likes

      And the difference between the 2 is that you can't get a credit card between them

      As The Grayzone has previously reported, Bellingcat is funded by the US government’s regime-change arm the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), a CIA cutout created by Ronald Reagan, and is host to a crew of regime-change advocates who work with Western government-backed organizations like the Atlantic Council.

      https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/10/wikipedia-formally-censors-the-grayzone-as-regime-change-advocates-monopolize-editing/

      All throughout the Cold War the CIA did the same thing - they funded 'Socialist' magazines that were anti-Soviet and they even funded Maoists during the Sino-Soviet split. Robert Evans straddles that line of pretending to be a leftist but not actually holding any principled left positions which might actually inconvenience US imperialism. His whole charade is a familiar one - to sound like thunder and fury with leftist and vaguely Marxist phraseology whilst shoring up support for US imperialism and US wars

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        All great points. but I think writing for a CIA cutout is a little different than being a full-on mockingbird plant

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          The difference is between wilful deception and being too stupid to know you're being used as a tool of deception and misinformation

          Like I said, a credit card doesn't fit between the two and both serve reaction

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      https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1100923286785908738?s=19

      Let me see if I can find the tweet where he said overthrowing Gaddafi was one of the few good things Hillary Clinton had ever done.

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        Lol did they poll the slave markets and see if those in bondage liked it better with Gaddafi in charge?

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        oof that's a bad take, which we all have from time to time

        My point is the guys doing more praxis exposing online right-wing radicalization and facing pigs in the street than most on this site arguing over who is and who isnt an op

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            Fair point, but the actual good praxis he does out on the streets outweighs any number of dogshit twitter takes,

            this should be obvious to anyone who isn't extremely online

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                Yeah being part of a shield walls to stop pigs cracking the heads of peaceful demonstrators, is purely performative and done for online content and no one should do it

                Thank you mr real leftist for enlightening me on why we shouldn't confront the state and rightist on the streets and instead stay online arguing who is and isn't an op

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                  Yeah being part of a shield walls

                  When did he do that?

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                    Literally most weekends for the last couple of months in Portland, check out his protest streams if you haven't

                    or are you asking for video evidence of him psychically resisting police?

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                      hes there as a reporter, i haven't seen him take part in any other capacity.

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    I still have no "take" on the Doo-Doo Ass Incident. I will not weigh in on the rumors of poos. I'm not sure where the truth lies.