Which reminds me of a good tweet I saw:
The point of this bullshit isn't truth value or even shock value. The point of this bulllshit is to make the allegations so horrific that asking for evidence is morally tantamount to denialism of similar atrocities of the past. So everyone just does the rational thing and agrees.
that's an extremely succinct way of putting it. Damn I used to be able to write like that in high school. Please just post that verbatim everywhere
"independent" lol yes just like the fed and the supreme court are "independent" and not political actors
I cannot wait for a world where things like usagm's lies, or sanctions and blockades, or drone strikes are treated as the acts of war that they are and reparations are paid :amerikkka:
Wait til you learn about the World Uyghur Congress
While posing as a grassroots human rights organization, the World Uyghur Congress is a US-funded and directed separatist network that has forged alliances with far-right ethno-nationalist groups. The goal spelled out by its founders is clear: the destabilization of China and regime change in Beijing.
-Grayzone
Honest question how do y'all refute stuff like graveyards being demolished by satellite imagery? If these really are graveyards that looks pretty bad.
Scroll down on I think that page to find out Obama passed some shitty bill to ignore the board of directors, and Trump put in some shitty edgy Right Wing documentation to fill that spot with full control.
I clicked on the Wikipedia article for the Cultural Revolution a while back. Now I don't really know anything about the Cultural Revolution, I don't know if it was good or bad or in between, but I feel confidant in my assumption that there was not, as Radio Free Asia and the New York Times claimed, widespread cannibalism.
So wait, are you saying that the entire thing is made up? I haven't been keeping up with this.
There's truth to the fact that there re education camps, but theres no genocide going on. Uighyurs in china are specifically exempt from the one child policy to boost population growth and integration.
Also, the numbers are wildly inflated. Zenz (the guy who said it's his god given mission to destroy china) puts the number at 1.5 million, based on a study by Human Rights Defenders China (a US/Hong Kong backed group) where they asked 8 people to estimate what percentage of uighyurs in their town have been sent to camps. The people estimated 10 percent on their own towns. The media extrapolated the stat to the whole Xinjiang region, meaning it's 1.1 million. The number just randomly goes up sometimes.
Uighyurs in china are specifically exempt from the one child policy to boost population growth and integration.
Uyghurs and ethnic minorities were exempt from the one child policy but now I believe it's the 2 child policy which applies to everyone.
Zenz
His estimate was completely separate from the CHRD one. He initially based his estimate of "just over a million" (https://jamestown.org/program/evidence-for-chinas-political-re-education-campaign-in-xinjiang/) off of a Newsweek Japan report (https://www.newsweekjapan.jp/stories/world/2018/03/89-3_1.php) that cites a report by Istiqlal TV, a Uyghur exile media organization based in Turkey that pushes for separatism.
Later on, he would bump the number up to 1.5 million (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights/15-million-muslims-could-be-detained-in-chinas-xinjiang-academic-idUSKCN1QU2MQ) and then 1.8 million (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/detainees-11232019223242.html)
TBF if they really are victims of communism then you have to count them using the same methodology as the black book.
http://web.archive.org/web/20180302205332/http://www.xinhuanet.com//english/2015-12/27/c_134955448.htm
Can't find a more detailed source that makes it more clear about whether or not affirmative action still applies though.
It's not even a cultural genocide. Part of the education is to maintain the culture, specifically language, dance, and history. The only part they're trying to get rid of is the recent development of violent extremism and turkik nationalism that serves states like Saudi Arabia (and the US).
Former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell and retired Army Colonel, Lawrence B. Wilkerson, on Afghanistan and Xinjiang:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91wz5syVNZs&feature=youtu.be&t=1260
The third reason we're there is because there are 20 million Uyghurs, and they don't like Han Chinese, in Xinjiang province in western China and if the CIA has to mount an operation using those Uyghurs - as Erdogan has done in Turkey against Assad - there are 20000 of them […] in Syria right now for example. That's why the Chinese might be deploying military forces to Syria in the very near future to take care of those Uyghurs that Erdogan invited in. Well the CIA would want to destabilize China and that would be the best way to do it. To form an unrest and to join with those Uyghurs in pushing the Han Chinese in Beijing from internal places rather than external.
at 22:21
Especially since the "West" has been fighting against the recognition of cultural genocide for decades because literally every white settler colonial nation is guilty of it.
If people want a good left perspective on the issue, check out chaung's work. They are an independent communist journal focused on China Studies. Here's one piece they did with an author who conducted extensive interviews in Xjinjiang.
There's also the made in china journal.
These journals are gonna be the most fair sources imo compared to mainstream and any state funded news.
For a translated document and a single anonymous interview, and a brief note about possibly 1 million people in the camps (that one is the most questionable). This is out of 47 notes. It sucks, but in no way forms a core part of the argument.
Totally unrelated but it wasn’t until now that I realized that the rebel narrator in the Tropico series (I’m thinking of 5?) is the host of radio free tropico.
I'll repost this since I didn't get any responses on my last post: ''Yesterday I saw a piece that made me question a lot of stuff I read, from critical China scholars, as they call themselves, I don’t know how what is true or false or whatever but the it sounds a lot like boarding schools if it’s all true. Could someone offer more information on this? I’m genuinely curious and not trolling. https://criticalchinascholars.org/interventions/ ''
What do you want to know specifically?
It wouldn’t surprise me if there were boarding schools in use. It’s a vast region. Centralising education makes some sense, especially given that the widening inequality between Uyghurs and Han is in part due to the reduced ability for the former to engage in the market reforms, due to lack of mandarin language.
The continued legacy of Deng’s reform and opening up policies. Basically capitalist wage relations, governed by a communist party.
I'm mostly curious on the part which says/implies that children are taken away from parents non-consentually, or really anything on it since the vast majority of the information you find when searching is propaganda
I mean education is mandatory and boarding schools seem to be pretty common in China, not only in Xinjiang. Obviously not everyone will be happy about this arrangement and Western media likes to only give a platform to the ones that aren't happy (which I suspect only consists of a small minority).
Not surprisingly, the CGTN take on this is a lot more positive:
https://youtu.be/XRorvkxIDPg
Edit: Regarding the FT article about families being separated due to the re-education camps, I don't doubt there's truth to it since obviously they're not just going to leave the children to fend for themselves and it's not hard to imagine that a decent amount of participants were forced to be there. Obviously this is concerning from a human rights point of view, but IMO as long as the conditions in the schools are fine (which does seem to be the case), I really don't think it's as big of a deal as they're made out to be and I think it's much better than the region being plagued by terrorist attacks every year.
