Bernie was our last chance at fighting climate change, if we had a chance at all
and that it will be worse than predicted
Bernie is a counter-revolutionary social democrat, and even so, none of that could happen in the alternate universe he is president. Repubs and dems alike will do anything to stop it.
idk. i feel the worst part of bernie losing is that all (well, most) of that energy and activity we had is gone. that in itself would have made a huge difference in everything from george floyd, to unemployment/rent during covid and everything going forward. we definitely wouldn't have seen all the moderates and centrists talking about reaching across the aisle, cuz they'd be afraid of losing their own seats if they went against the left (just like anti-trump and moderate-republicans turned fash pretty quickly after trump.)
At best moderates might try a last minute emergency switch off everything (with generous stimulus to those poor Fossil Fuel industries), but that's assuming moderate R's even believe in that shit in the first place.
Climate changeClimate disaster is already happening . We're going to see a blue ocean event way earlier than expected.We would be past the point of no return regardless of who was president. Bernie would have just made the next 4-8 years less painful, but this is a problem far bigger than one president of one country.
Millions will lose their homes and become climate refugees. We already see this happening on a smaller scale with mega fires. Now imagine that it's no longer seasonal and becomes the new normal.
I'm trying to move out of my state to one with a more stable environment, but there's a good chance that when I do so I'll be surrounded by neoliberals that don't want to lower housing prices for immigrants, much less give them mutual aid.
So I guess I'll have to learn more skills over the next few years. I can't help others put on their plane masks until I put mine on first. Hopefully that's not just chud advice I subconsciously kept with me over the years.
on the upside, if we can afford to post on the internet (that too in english) right now, we're not gonna be the worst hit. this means it will be easier for us to withstand it and create mutual aid networks to help others.
As a romani gypsy, I think my race/culture won’t exist in 2-3 generations. Coupled with assimilation and straight genocide, I don’t see “Romani people” as we know it existing in a few decades. Or at the very least, so few will practice the culture that it will be as if we do not exist. It worries me. I think we are very much an “endangered species” metaphor here for a race
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I don't know much about your culture, but I feel all the peoples who've faced the brunt of colonialism, imperialism etc will be better suited to deal with climate change than its passive beneficiaries.
Perhaps. Most of the older of us know how to survive nomadic lifestyles and then a majority of us in Europe already don’t have running water, so I think we can handle having no luxuries of life that people in America for example would be used to. On the other hand, I really don’y know if we will be around much for when climate change gets worse... It’s really scary to me. Calling for romani genocide in europe is just another normal day there.
In the early stages, perhaps. Later on...most of those societies are pretty reliant on consistent seasons, which we will not have.
Aren't there Roma theatres and what not in Russia? I thought there were people trying to keep the culture alive.
There are, but that can only do so much. In general, assimilation is a big issue for us since it’s sometimes the only way we can get jobs. If you can pass as Indian or Latino or Turkish, you’ll want to say you’re that rather than saying you’re Gypsy. And that’s not including forced assimilated/genocide.
hordesMega-GypsiesMuh invasion/pol/ called, they want their dog whistles back.
I don’t know what the person said before deleting it, but I can only imagine it was incredibly racist lol
Yeah was a spin on their usual bullshit, "muh invasion of brown hordes" and so on etc.
They deleted their account as well so it was probably another troll.
We have already passed the point of no return on climate change
yeah, agreed. but climate change is gonna be a very slow killer. so all of us alive today won't see the worst of it. i guess that's a positive?
Not all that happy about leaving a doomed planet to future generations tbh
I have heard scientists talking about the difference in degrees. Lowering the degrees even slightly will reduce the surge of natural disasters/famine/water-shortages/heatwaves
I think there is a zero percent chance the US gets universal healthcare before climate collapse. If the general public can't get behind it during the worst pandemic in 100 years, nothing will change our mind. And also the consent manufacturing machine is too powerful to defeat.
The public is already behind it, we just don't live in a country where that really matters, at least not in the short term.
Im currently reading Chris Hedges latest take: https://scheerpost.com/2020/11/05/chris-hedges-american-requiem/
I expect America to go full fash within the next decade, 100 million people will probably die in the ensuing wars and ethnic cleansing.
I can not wait to see the Empire crumble. The rise of Chinese socialism after the decline, it's all I have left.
I'm not as hopeful as you. I think the fall of the American empire will see it become something like modern Russia after USSR. and i highly doubt china is gonna be anything other than state capitalist anytime soon. Not to get into a struggle sessions here, but that is what it is.
It's not really 'doomer' if it's realistic.
The US will embrace full blown fascism in the future. and we'll most likely see a full collapse and societal breakdown which leads to a civil war and balkanization by the end of this decade.
There is never going to be a leftist revolution in the US for the same reason there has never been one in Britain and won't be in the future there either. The left is too divided and fixated around identity politics instead of class consciousness and will not be able to radically change anything cause we'll spend all of our time infighting over stupid shit. The far right on the other hand are more organized and about to have 4 years of a lame duck neolib president to inspire even more disgruntled people to their movement while the left will spend all it's time still ignoring the working class and trying to radicalize smug, middle class libs. At most, we'll end up with a handful of small left groups who will be gradually outnumbered by the far right who have had decades to organize and get their shit together.
I guess that's my take. Fascism by 2024 and full civil war by 2028.
I don't think there will be much we can do besides community organizing and trying to do something in our local areas on a smaller scale. I've been reading into civil wars and collapse scenarios and I think the only real hope we'll have is from trying to organize to build better communities for when things get bad.
my most doomer take is that socialism will never happen in the imperial core unless it gets occupied by a socialist state and until then the 3° world must fight alone in its quest to socialism, i guess its because i was a maoist
I honestly don't see this happening. Mostly because we now have weapons that are way deadlier and cost-effective than nukes, that don't also annihilate the people who use them.
I think the military industrial complex/neo-cons realises conventional war (boots on ground/tanks/aircraft/subs) generates more money from conquest of resources. Can't nuke otherwise no resources.
Of course, that depends how red-pilled the person in charge of the button is (ie destruction of entire land & resources included is worth it because they're ridding the 'scum')
Also, you can't really outsource nuke production to a private contractor (outside of ancapistan anyway), so conventional war lets you do more pork barrel spending.
idk, in all the worst dystopias today could bring, I can't see it happening without an elite class deciding the shots through media (whatever that may be) and toxic ideology.
in my head the worst dystopia would be 97% of the world is Mad Max, then there's just millionaires living on beachside near farms surrounded by security who benefit from the regime they protect.
After the upswing in fascism in the early to mid 2010s, we are seeing the return of neoliberalism, starting in late 2010s till now. The leftist sentiment will be forced to sleep once again. And when facism next rises, it'll be in a much worse environment (economically, socially, and, you know, environmentally). The neolibs at that point would have managed to secure themselves and leave the rest of us at the mercy of the facists.
6-3 SCROTUS decision on certain numbers of mail-in ballots being stricken from the counts in at least some of the 6 undecided/contested swing states
oof that'd be real bad. but otoh, if that happens the libs will have to leave brunch at least. and given how barely any established republican/conservative is standing with trump right now, i doubt that would actually happen anyways. those hoes aint loyal.
it's not about those republicans standing with him, it's about the legal issues before the courts as well as the Republican held legislatures in most if not all these states
Biden or Harris try to "stand up to" Russia / China with saber rattling which is miscalculated into uncontrolled escalation and then a shooting war. Said war goes nuclear and human civilization as we know it ends.
We're going to figure out how to manage the coming climate crisis and start progressing towards communism and then Elon Musk's space car is going to hit the alien ambassador's landing pod during descent and the aliens drop the moon on us in retaliation, the end.
