i miss when gta v sent like one preview to game informer, had like three trailers and then was out. now we got this game that had this cool trailer that hooked everybody, but is now showing off keanu reeves, all the celebrity musical guests, hanging out with elon musk on twitter, has the office references in it. it's like its been redditfied or something.
Like it still could be good, but man, what a terrible direction the marketing went in
Games have become bogged down by capitalism. Too many studio execs now wanting things like celebrity casting and "movie-like" stuff.
Remember when a characters design was such a careful process. Whole games were designed around what they looked like and acted like and how it affected the environment and story.
Now it's like, "Nah give all the money to Norman Reedus and make him the main character, people eat that shit up and it's less effort."
If I see another game with "Grizzled white-dude" as the main character then I quit.
As shitty as Nintendo is, at least their games still have whimsy, colour and actually feel like games.
3000+ dead yesterday, and it came out right as most businesses went into severely reduced capacity for winter. Everyone will buy this and spend 50+ hours on it just for the escapism.
They don't seem to realize that they can shoot their real life problems too
I think we will get a Bioshock Infinite/Dark Souls 2 situation where g*mers will delude themselfs into thinking the game is amazing, until youtube smarty men start pointing out that the game doesn't do anything particularly well.
Then the backlash will come, but nobody will learn anything, since most people will have already bought the game. G*mers will start looking for the next big thing because they enjoy the hype more then playing the games.
That is, if the game is actually competent, if it's really shit it will just flop. It could also be amazing but the little I saw of the game doesn't inspire much confidence.
Also, if anyone wants to play it, pirate it or buy it used on console, don't give CDProjekt your money
i was about to say "come on, bioshock infinite is good", but then i realized i was remembering all the cool ziplines and forgetting all the both-sidesing slavery
God, I felt like I was taking crazy pills about bioshock infinite. Great story and word building? Sure. Great graphics and characters? Sure. But fuck me, after like 1/3 of the way into the game it’s just an endless meat grinder of boring gunfights.
The story was complete nonsense though, and there were no stakes because as soon as Elziabeth was introduced you were just along for the ride, and nothing you did mattered. Everything was just done by the LITERAL GOD.
True enough. At least they tried something slightly ambitious for an on-rails shooter though :P
I just replayed it over the summer and the story is dogshit. It’s just radical centrist shit, the anime girl sidekick is like Reddit pedo fuel and the gunfights are all the same.
Dark Souls 2 situation where g*mers will delude themselfs into thinking the game is amazing
did this ever happen? i was always disappointed with dark souls 2 and ive never seen any large group of people saying it was good actually
In the case of DS2 I'm mostly speaking from personal experience. It took me a good while to recognise the game for what it is because I had bought into the hype, and I can imagine a lot of people doing the same.
IRC the g*mer backlash during the launch was more about the downgrade than about poor level design, shitty worldbuilding and weird game feel.
Also, there are a significant number of contrarian weirdos like hbomb that think the game is actually genius.
I mostly agree with respect to dark souls 2. I was definitely on the dark souls 2 is trash team for a while, and I still have huge problems with it. Fundamentally the feel of the game is imprecise and floaty, and the enemy and level design philosophy is just confusing and incoherent at times.
That being said I’ve definitely come around on it slightly - it tried some new concepts that I wish the series stuck with. The multiplayer arenas and covenants were way better, there were more varied weapons and play styles in MP, and power stancing weapons made it so not everybody hid behind a shield at all times. It’s probably still their worst game but it’s not irredeemable IMO. In conclusion Ds2 is a land of contrasts
It's imprecise and floaty until you get a high AGL, then it's basically fine. Which, like, it's still a flaw that you need to pump a certain stat for the game to feel alright, don't get me wrong. And that's compounded by the fact that they pulled a reverse-DS1 and put the worst areas at the beginning of the game, so the game feels floaty right when you're also in the worst areas.
I personally like DS2 quite a bit- I put it at roughly equal standing with DS3 (for very different reasons). I love the feel of the world, and the idea of cycles was a great direction to take the lore in (which DS3 continued but also weakened with incessant DS1 references).
Also, DS2 is yet another example of a From game where the DLC is leaps and bounds better than the base game- the DLC for DS1 and Bloodborne was also incredible, but I honestly feel like the DS2 DLC is even better. Great environmental and level design, great bosses (though not as great as Artorias or Lady Maria)
Dark Souls 2 situation where g*mers will delude themselfs into thinking the game is amazing
it's great if your definition of fun is repeatedly dodge rolling to do backstabs
That feels like more of a DS1 critique, that game was absolutely insane with backstabs
It's even gonna be cracked day one because it has no den so there's no reason to buy it.
See, I watched that first trailer, that hour “gameplay” preview from e3 a few years back (where they go into the factory or whatever and kill a bunch of cyberpunk dudes), and said to myself “cool, I’ll buy this game”. I then consumed no more media about it for two years except occasionally reading up on how development was going. I had no idea about any of the stuff you mention in the post.
Is it really that hard to avoid this stuff? Who watches ads anymore?
Exactly my situation. I mentioned to some friends of mine that I was interested in getting the game and all I heard was about how terrible and annoying the marketing campaign was. I swear I almost never saw an ad for it after the e3 trailer a couple years back.
I've known CD Projekt's been working on the game since they initially announced with that CGI thing years back but all other exposure I've had to Cyberpunk has been people endlessly talking about it
Yeh, I guess I’m not really in those spaces online that endlessly discuss gaming anymore. I have a couple of friends that’ll all get excited about a big game together every now and again (like for red dead last year) but that’s about it.
I also avoid trailers for movies I know I’m already gonna see for the same reason. I learned palpatine was in the last Star Wars sequel from a billboard :agony-consuming:
The discourse on this site about this game is so tiring. Stop hand-wringing over media consumption, that shit's for libs on Twitter and Tumblr.
Is it? From what I remember it's made by a dude who doesn't really understand the point of cyberpunk beyond the aesthetic. Granted I only ever opened one "cyberpunk" book, but I feel justified in trashing it, since they didn't even have artists do the art but like... phone pictures of barbie dolls tinted green?
Mechanically? It's pretty solid, game actually functions on the "roll 2d10 to see if you do the thing" level. Setting? Yeah, it could be better. A lot of "wow cool robot arm!!" going on.
So the opposite of Shadowrun.
I don't even know what Cyberpunk is about and I'm a, ugh, g*mer. I mean all I know is their famous trailer and some gameplay that I didn't even watched fully because it didn't seem that good to me, I dunno. All I know is that you can see this game as "Ancap hell" because society fucking sucks ass, everyone is left "on their own" or something, I dunno.
I'm kinda done being excited for games. I remember how excited I was when L4D came out, playing hours and hours on the Demo, then came Mount and Blade Bannerlord which took them years to release (super hyped about that one, still haven't played one single minute of it) and a little known game called East vs West, a Hearts of Iron-like Cold War game, amazing game, small group of developers which paid a lot of attention to the community... but Paradox decided to stop all development on the game years ago. I became a doomer, I almost stopped caring about new titles. To add fuel to the fire, I'm a huge oldschool Battlefield fan, BF1942, BF2 and BF2142 are, to me, the best ones, not because these games were 32v32 online games without any shit grind or anything but because the modding community was insanely good both on 1942 (Forgotten Hope) and 2 (Forgotten Hope 2, Project Reality), EA decided to take a huge shit on the community by releasing Bad Company 1 & 2, BF3, BF4 and so on without any modding support, felt like a complete downgrade no matter how "good" these games might be, no mods = no fun for me.
That's when I became disappointed with the g*ming industry, I literally stopped caring, I became immune to "hype" or whatever, it's dogshit, all of it. Of course Jim Sterling added more fuel to the fire and now I absolutely despise the industry for what it is, Capitalism.
And now lootboxes haha, fuck this shit. I will pirate the shit out of Cyberpunk, they deserve it after the crunch thing. Fuck them.
Lol, East vs. West, some people's hearts are still broken about that one to this very day
Yeah, not many people remember East vs West I think. It had great potential imo, we need a HoI game set on the Cold War -- Cuba annexes Florida baby!
Even if it ends up eating shit, worse than Paradox games initial launch levels, this type of marketing will never go away. Sure they've never brought in epic Keanu or whoever before, but that's just because of shifting mainstream acceptance and it's a new IP. People always have been making bank on vaporware hype on games, like Spore or Duke Nukem, and it's never seemed to stop anyone from trying it again.
