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https://kbin.social/m/meta%40lemm.ee/t/458933/How-do-I-block-all-of-Hexbear-from-All/top
sh.itjust.works and a 1-user Lemmy instance called lemmy.magnor.ovh also see and reply to Hexbear comments, though Hexbear doesn't see their replies:
https://lemmy.magnor.ovh/comment/2371501
i love how libs' brains just break at the thought of someone being more left-wing than them. it never gets old.
Clearly, these are secret
Chinese/Russian/Iranianbots, no right-thinking person would ever be soslur/insult/racism!don’t use unsigned ints
Unsigned ints are comrades too
Lib seeing a portal to the communism dimension opening in front of them:
The few interactions I've had with them wasn't because they believed we were more left-wing than them. They thought we were pretend left wing.
Because of Sorkin Syndrome™ and MAGA saturation, crudeness = right wing.
If anyone were to be on the left of them, the hypothetical leftists should be even more polite and civil than they are! Doncha know, the more crude, the more right! It's not about economic policy that dictates how left/right you are, it's about how rude you are on the internet!
They literally care about tone more than policy. Which explains American politics, but it's not a meme. If you post PPB in the same sentence as calling for guillotines for every billionaire, they'd ignore the second part and call you right wing.
Tied into this, I think there's also an element of liberals expecting a certain bleeding heart morality to the left that they believe paralyzes. They don't want solutions out of the left, they want to have socio-political catharsis through the veneer of left politics. So some might cry: "what's happening in Yemen is so sad my heart goes out for them", yet ultimately decide that the 'rational' amoral realpolitik demands the US play this game with the Saudis else things could be hypothetically worse. 'Ignore the heart, choose the mind' type attitude when it comes to the "real". So' coming up against leftists that are less interested in playing the bleeding heart or (merely) stroking their own ego by pointing to moral superiority forces one to re-evaluate either what they consider to be left or the stated values/goals of the leftist challenging this framework.
Hopefully this made sense, I'm not running on a lot of sleep lmao.
Right wing propaganda such as what? Go ahead, we'll all wait. They can NEVER give a concrete answer. It's always 'but Russia' and I haven't seen fuck all about Russia on here in days and days
I think it's probably right wing propaganda like:
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Biden isn't perfect
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Russia isn't solely to blame for the Ukraine war
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there's no evidence from reliable sources for Uighur genocide
Listen sweaty
There's liberals and conservatives. You hate liberals, therefore you must be a conservative. It's not that hard.
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You see... Even being against nuclear conflict is as pro-Russia right-wing statement...
The "right wing propaganda" to them is literally anything that is negative about liberals.
Their conception of "left" is that liberal = as far left as you get. Anything negative about liberals is therefore right wing.
They see "I do not like libs" and go to "this is right wing" in their headspace because they know literally nothing other than democrat vs republican. They don't even understand that those are just two halves of liberalism. If you explained that the fascists in Japan are the liberal party their heads explode.
I’m not “a commie”, but the way I understand it is that the kinds of “commies” that Russia ... say they are ... are not communists at all.
Most politically literate lib
There are certainly many members of the Russian Federation's Communist Party who aren't real communists, so there is that. If they meant the USSR, they can go fuck themselves, of course, but they were speaking in the present tense so they probably meant the RF.
Why won't you people learn that the US is the only force for good in the world, and should be worshipped? Only a fascist would be calling for its destruction. They've only killed a few people here and there, and I'm sure they were all accidental, not like those evil soviets! Please, just pick up a history book. I recommend The Anti-Communist Manifesto by Jesse Kelly. He's a good, honest, hard working, all AMERICAN politician who just has reasonable centrist opinions that I don't see how anyone could disagree with.
From weaponizing race, sex, and gender to hijacking our schools, communism threatens to destroy our cherished American way of life. Featuring practical tools and tactics to not only identify communists but also defend the United States from this malicious enemy, The Anti-Communist Manifesto is an instructive guide for all patriots.
I need a shower now.
Yeah, I kept seeing posts like this all over kbin and they made me curious as to what's actually going on with this 'hexbear' they were talking about.
I've been lurking here for a few weeks now and it seems like one of the saner places I've stumbled across since I landed in the fediverse. So it makes me a little sad that these posters seem to have such a strong reaction to the ideas posted here. Either they're inventing things feign offence over, because they dislike the actual ideas so much, or I'm just missing all the really nasty posts on hexbear. 🤷♂️
Liberals are so used to being "the good guys" in comparison to conservatives that they react poorly to us and our positions like "stop demolishing homeless camps" and "we're antiwar including this one"
They're so blinded by liberal ideology that they're incapable of understanding that anyone could possibly be further left than them.
Propaganda is a hell of a drug.
Same thing happened to me. Saw everyone shitting on it so I looked into it and now it's my main instance
Right wing propaganda here? Like WHAT?
If I sent this site to a right winger, they'd have a meltdown about how evil and leftist it is
America Brain has had a serious effect on its populace: the Two Party System has been so ingrained, anyone that criticizes you must be the enemy.
And we kinda short circuit that sheltered view. See, we use ad hominem and link PPB, that's crude, therefore right wing. Even when we say universal healthcare and housing should be a thing, we can't sincerely mean it because it was already established that we're right wing. So we're right wingers pretending to be left. Which means our criticisms of the Ukraine are sincere, our criticisms of Russia are insincere, because we're right wing. Our criticisms of libs are sincere, our criticisms of republicans aren't, etc etc.
They must invent a reality where 4chan users have enough attention and dedication to pull off a multi thousand user forum that's not federated with anything and keeping to rules of being pro LGBT+ and not using slurs (which 4channers love btw) for 3 years so and also make u/spez fuck up 3rd party APIs later and make people choose to mass migrate and they happen to choose Lemmy, we could then federate and attack them from the left.
These people would be susceptible to Scientology if they grew up around Scientologists. They'll believe anything.
Anyone would be susceptible to scientology if they grew up around scientologists unless it was in a oppositional context
That’s true in general about all worldviews. The difference is whether, given enough exposure to contrary information, you would escape or not.
I really think it's an honest misunderstanding, fueled by wrong first impressions.
Even for myself, the first time I opened hexbear.net a few months ago, I immediately saw some post about Trump on the front page, and a bunch of posts and comments criticising liberals. I completely misunderstood what was going on here, I also thought that it's some kind of right wing circlejerk. This misunderstanding was later reinforced by reading comments elsewhere on Lemmy calling Hexbear a Putin supporter instance, troll instance, etc.
I only started questioning my understanding when I started noticing some sincere comments by Hexbear users, and eventually I realised that you guys have pretty much the same worldview as I do (in terms of the rich only being rich because they exploit the poor etc).
It can really take some effort on the part of external users to figure out what's going on in here, and from my own experience, I think it's extremely easy to get the wrong idea.
See, I think another huge part of it is that American liberals tend to see crudeness as right wing, because their media glorifies civility and they only see those that don't adhere to it on the right, or teenage trolls.
Moderate republicans and basically all dems will gang up against you if you're uncivil in criticizing the status quo, and civil criticisms amount to... well, nothing. Hell, Occupy Wall St accomplished nothing and that was much more civil than camping outside banker homes with guillotines or throwing Molotovs (see any French protest from Robespierre till now). If these fuckers saw MLK Jr. in Selma they'd call them disruptive. Well, actual MLK Jr. anyway:
I call it Sorkin Syndrome. The nerds interested in politics today grew up on West Wing instead of reading politics. Like, Abe Lincoln bullied an opponent to tears with personalattacks during a debate before. That kind of energy needs to return to mainstream politics.
I think oppressed and exploited people have no need to be civil, but on the other hand, I don't think it's right to say that people who are alienated by "uncivil" posts on Lemmy were never really friends (I am extending your "dems" to include Lemmy users here, I hope I'm not misrepresenting your point) - I think a lot of them have good intentions and would probably support socialism if they understood it. Maybe I'm naive, but I've noticed several times seemingly decent people on Lemmy having negative opinions about Hexbear. Just recently, I saw one person calling Hexbear "tankies", and then in another thread the same person was calling for the elimination of millionaires. They're just a few steps away from being a "tankie" themselves, and they just don't realise it because they are missing some key information.
I was saying in another thread before, I think having a friendly "intro to Hexbear" type page or post would be awesome, because it could be shown to confused Lemmy users who don't understand Hexbear yet.
Sure, it is just a few steps away, but those steps are actually quite hard to overcome, because the Sisyphean boulder that liberals keep pushing up that hill only to watch it roll down again is this: upholding the system.
The Parliamentarian is blocking this, we can't do anything about it. Oh Manchin was a spoiler vote, dang. We can't expand the court. Oops, Roe V Wade was overturned. HRC won the popular vote but instead Trump won the election? Too bad we can't touch the Electoral College, an archaic system most other democracies don't have. The 50th mass shooting this year, and it's only February, the best thing we can do is vote Dem because Republicans are worse at gun control. Nothing else we can do, no matter how many hundreds of children die, the best is just voting dem. Oop, the Republicans Gerrymandered this district so despite having 35% of votes, they win the election? We'll make a Last Week Tonight episode about it.
But the issue is if you're against the system written by slave owners hundreds of years ago, you're attacking America itself, which means you're a Kremlin/CPC/North Korean bot.
Also, to address the "intro to Hexbear" thing, most of our pinned posts are fairly accessible and contain real history/literature but I think people by default skip pinned posts.
Kremlin/CPC/North Korean bot.
New pronouns just dropped
I think you're right but there are people who aren't just out off but irrevocably revolted by, idk, guillotine-posting, and those people were never our friends
1-Our trump posts are mostly about how funny that piece of shit is, which can definitely be confusing to people who are used to viewing him as some kind of singular harbinger of social decay. We dont view him with any kind of unique horror beyond the horror of his class, which can look exculpatory to bystanders.
2-The "2" party dichotomy is dominant in the US and the left has been deliberately dismantled over decades, so it's a common and easy misconception to think that
There is a lot of anti-republican sentiment, but maybe the person got unlucky and missed it
I've had an interaction that pointed out posting Hunter Biden stuff (it was the cocaine and prostitutes news) is inherently pro Trump due to the connotations
I explained drugs and sex work should be legal and it makes Hunter cooler than any Trump or Obama.
And they went on to post that it was still pro-Trump in a different thread.
What I mean is "pro Trump" is a tenuous term.
Don't get me wrong, I get it now, I'm just saying that when I first came to Hexbear, I was confused
I’ve had a bunch of people think I am right wing because I want the working class armed. Lmao
From an outside perspective there are probably a few things we support here that the American right might as well.
For example, lots of people here support Russia to some extent because they endorse anti-imperialist action against NATO expansionism.
Lots of people on the American right support Russia out of solidarity for their fellow fascists.
Your outsider looking in just sees support for Russia and disdain for the Ukrainian regime and makes the association.
Don’t forget it’s textbook fascism to copy leftists points (cf. the Nazis being called “National socialists”) and I can only imagine this will increase
Especially good point when you think about how their messaging is amplified and ours is suppressed so most people are going to first interact with those (lip service) points wearing a brown hat instead of a red/black one
sh.itjust.works and a 1-user Lemmy instance called lemmy.magnor.ovh also see and reply to Hexbear comments, though Hexbear doesn't see their replies
I know it's really really really funny but seriously, why is this even a thing? Federation has such a half-assed implementation.
Because of not conforming to the protocol, which can hardly be blamed on lemmy.
It was the one titled something like "Obama taking the piss" because he's asking people to donate to Libya
Edit: yeah found it. You kind find their confused reply in the thread
https://hexbear.net/post/604773
Man, that's even worse than I expected. They are this outraged because we don't think Obama was the greatest leader the world has ever known?
I know. Thats what's so uncomprehesibly bad about us?
From memory, I recall reading about Marc Antony and the poet, Cicero, proponent of the Roman Republic. After Cicero was murdered by Marc Antony's men, Marc Antony had Cicero's head and hands placed to the forum, as warning not to defy him even in oration.
The kind of phenomenon of not just silencing critics but internalized, forced, and deliberate willful ignorance and refusal to engage in reality or solutions outside one's comfort zone is kind of reminiscent of historical records and analyses of failing societies.
The antagonisms of society are too transparent, and the language and ideology needed to challenge these class antagonisms have been abolished in the
that it causes a sunk-cost fallacy into the liberal reformist parties that are only interested in cosmetic amelioration of social injustices, rather than their antecedent practices of significant, material, but incomplete policy amelioration.The politics of self-preservation and comfort triumph over any desire to sacrifice that comfort for true social, economic, or political justice. We can't have nice things because literal foot soldiers are in the way, public intellectuals divest people's acceptance of legitimacy into direct action and destabilizing tactics: protests, blockades, strikes, and finally the political counter-ideology - which affirms that dignity of life and equality must be a material provision instead of rhetorical - to channel public outrage into political action and broad movements that scare the state into those reforms liberals adulate liberal democracy for. New Deal, Civil & Voting Rights, and Great Society were concessions, won through destabilizing events and movements, not merciful grants from on high seeing the plight of the poor.
Sympathy makes you a liberal, but because there is no feeling of shared destiny - solidarity - everything is up for compromise.
Which is why you have apologia for Manchin, the Democrats, Biden, Obama, et cetera.
Well, that one’s easy, blame the SWIFT banking system. They did want to send it to you but the authoritarian country you live in sanctioned them and made it impossible.
leftism is when you're mostly ok with things as they are today but would like to raise taxes by 0.001% and maybe have more symbolic gestures towards minorities. and you think Biden has done stuff.
kbin sounds like some sort of program to run KDE programs on Windows, like a reverse Wine
Politically illiterate dweebs mixed in with self aware cryptonazis knowingly spreading lies and filling their heads with nonsense.
Lemmy chops off most of the unchanged kbin link: https://kbin.social/m/meta@lemm.ee/t/458933/How-do-I-block-all-of-Hexbear-from-All/top
So the
has to be percent-encoded for Lemmy to not try to change it. A bunch of other characters were also unnecessarily percent-encoded, I changed those back to normal now.Close. Needs to be
%40for @ but it’s currently set to%2Fwhich is like a forward slash or colon or something.
look at that right wing rhetoric
