"The admins of chapo.chat are going on a banning spree for all TERFs and "transphobes" based on if users downvote posts that have anything to do with being trans. I downvoted a comment that said the admins should absolutely ban people based on their voting record lol. And since I didnt have a comment/post history, I'm apparently a Nazi TERF plant sent there to make LGBTs uncomfortable with using the website in an attempt to rid them from the "leftist movement".
It's amusing that everyone there is nostalgic for Stalin and Mao, and cartoonishly voice their full support for them every fucking day, I'm sure they would have fully supported the LGBT movement. I'm never leaving stupidpol again, I love all of you nazi [r-slur]s."
Bonus: "I was unbanned. I apparently only have one downvote left that Im allowed to use. Thank you benevolent moderators of Chapo.Chat. I promise to never downvote again."
This was very much unexpected and not predictable at all.
Edit: the op deleted it :party-sicko:
Edit 2 : It seems the above is fake news and the supidpol mods deleted it for damage control or something idk.
I didn't fully agree with tracking/banning people for downvotes rather than content, but the banned people's unhinged mask off reactions to might be changing my mind lol
true, I trust absolutely 0% of anyone who posts there, subs there, any of it
I posted there recently and holy shit did I regret it. Believe it or not, a lot of them have fucked up ideas about race.
Is THAT what is going on there? I literally posted there for the first time yesterday and could not figure out wtf was going on with the replies.
yea, they're unironic class reductionists. it started chapo-adjacent but they didn't ban reactionary shit so it became a nazi sub in short order.
If you don't come down on reactionaries swiftly and hard they will fucking multiply and push the limits of what they can get away with. Everytime.
it started chapo-adjacent but they didn’t ban reactionary shit so it became a nazi sub in short order.
It was rotten from the start: its two founders, gucci and crab, were the two worst posters on the old sub, and crab in particular would go on like 100+ comment rants furiously defending the honor of Al Franken and the google evopsych manifesto guy. I remember spending entirely too long fighting with both of them over trans issues (also literally everything else, because they were terrible on every issue) back in the day, and it was a good day when Ohmiglob finally banned crab.
oh, I remember them, I just meant that the two subs had significant overlap for a while. but the influx of reactionary users into stupidpol split the two apart. yeah, it was always shit but CTH was frequently willing to tolerate defenses of the takes in that sub until it became very clear that it was just cover for being a reactionary.
Yeah, it was nice when they finally started the tradition of regular purges of stupidpol posters.
It'll never be finished. Thing's will quiet down for a few months, it'll become a problem again, and then it'll be time for another large scale purge.
Fuck, I was just thinking "what if there's a way to socialize people better to break the cycle of needing regular purges" but there's not really a way to do that on social media, since people can just filter in and we can't exactly sit them down and mandate an ethics and political education class or something where they'd at least ostensibly learn better.
I've gone through so many cycles of educating people on trans stuff - I'm very aware. it's neverending.
some of this stuff is cultural, though, and it is getting better slowly. like notice how we have more people talking about how they feel and how their day is going - there's a noticeable decrease in the overwhelming (toxic) masculinity of the space since the days of the sub. pronoun tags have worked, banning sealioning and concern trolling has helped, and the supportive posture of the mod team helps as well.
unfortunately, the thing that would help the most - actual political education - isn't really something this space can enforce, so we have to get a little more clever about what kinds of policies we try.
Fun fact I actually know one of the evolutionary psychologists who was cited by the google manifesto guy. He was rightly horrified with the way his work was being misused.
It's funny because these chuds like to think they have access to more facts and logic than the mainstream consensus. But it turns out the leading researchers in the field hate their opinions too.
yeah, they have fucked up views about every minority, because they despise the concept of intersectionality - they are reactionaries
basically if you aren't a white guy and you dare to exist, in their eyes you are distracting from the goal of socialism and should shut up and take whatever you get bigotry
Once I posted that the right-wingers on the sub frequently de-rail discussion and add nothing of value, and I came back an hour later to a full-blown freakout. Got told stuff like “yeah well you can’t just ban all ideas you disagree with” and “the left will achieve nothing if we stay within our own fortress of opinions.” I didn’t even advocate banning the rightoids or anything
Banning rightoids is cool and good for this exact reason
" Muh :freeze-peach: "
What does the emoji mean all I can think of is peach ice which i know isn't right
I'm suddenly very aware that not everyone got radicalized through SRS and that makes me kind of sad for some reason
That's exactly it. I thought it was just another post-chapo sub and a lot of the posts are actually decent. And the woke liberal establishment frankly deserves to get criticized and mocked more than it does. But holy shit the rightoids in the comments make any discussion impossible.
I made a post comparing racism to astrology and boy did they come out of the woodwork to defend scientific racism on a supposedly marxist sub. It's a shame. The reactionaries make any constructive discussion impossible. Unless.... UNLESS... :stalin-shining:
Haha you are exactly the type of user I imagine making those hysterical cryposts
Fucking commies arrested and deported me for being CIA for no reason!
- Overheard in CIA cafeteria, Langley VA
telling on yourself
What do you even mean by this? Like it’s going mask off that you’re not an authoritarian???
The term "authoritarian" is officially meaningless. Thank you for demonstrating that.
I mean if you think I’m using it wrong then yeah I guess it is. No problem being the catalyst you needed to realize you don’t understand what authoritarian means.
Combing through downvotes for Wrongthink so you can remove them is downright authoritarian and I feel bad for anyone too dumb to see that.
You have a knack for telling other people things you need to tell yourself. Tragic, really. Good luck getting help!
I know you're banned now, but damn, is "I know you are but what am I?" really the best you have?
Yet again proving the theorem that banning the 5-10% of trash from a community doesn’t actually do anything except make the community better.
I dont disagree with you, but there are people behind these accounts, and people change. if a user is bigoted enough to actually post something transphobic, yeah they've gone too far and we'd be better without them. but if voting history is the sole basis of a ban(perhaps implying their bigotry is mild), I'd say being a part of a pro-trans community would be beneficial to them. they could only get less transphobic by being a member here.
this is a fun corner of the internet, and fun persuades people.
i was hoping mods weren't banning based on ip or something.
still tho, bans are bans. maybe, tag them with a flair and let people fuck with them.
My memory is that it was so consistent, like they'd set up a bot to automatically downvote trans stuff. You don't need an IP to track that. I vaguely remember some patsocs and stuff from the earlier days and on r/cth
This whole thing is just an op to get rid of any lingering lib feelings like "purges bad"
"They post irony about Stalin so bad omg, by the way I love you Nazis."
Fucking idiot lmao
N-no, sir. Not at all, sir. No, don't take me to the catgirl/boy camps, no, NO, N-
jk pls take me to the catgirl/boy camps UwU
there's someone JAQing off about Chinese authoritarianism and an ex-poster from here going off about (I think?) the USSR. :soviet-hmm:
“I was unbanned. I apparently only have one downvote left that Im allowed to use. Thank you benevolent moderators of Chapo.Chat. I promise to never downvote again.”
so does this mean the purge didn't go far enough? :stalin-shining:
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Yeah its fucking insane. They're posting the lists of users banned and the reason why. Mine was for being a "transphobe with reactionary voting patterns" lmao because I think its stupid that there is a circlejerk post every single day by the same user that says I LOVE MY TRANS COMRADES. Mods said they would use this same process to start rooting out ableism, misogyny, and sexism now too. And damn, they really hate stupidpol over there.
Awww....the terf tears are delicious this time if year... :jb-shining:
And damn, they really hate stupidpol over there.
Yeah, wow. Imagine that.
Stupidpol is mostly full of upper middle class white social democrats whose insular community and lifestyles have led them to believe the working class only contains bigoted white male factory workers and coal miners from the Appalachian areas.
Imagine being obsessed with trying to reconcile your ‘leftist’ ideology with your low key racism and prejudices.
Fuck those morons
I’ve met some cool Chapos who are in fact intersectional and simply post there because they hate liberal idpol, not leftist intersectionality, but they are few and far between. It’s mostly just reactionary social democrats who are apathetic to social issues or even actively hostile at worst.
Fuck off asshole. You probably post there, I don’t give a shit what you believe is bullshit.
Edit: it’s always the same bullshit defense of stupidpol from the people who post there ‘it’s. just people who are tired of liberal idpol’, meanwhile there’s constantly posts shitting on Antifa and BLM (or advocating throwing out the race element of blm, completely ignoring why the movement started in the first place). Stupidpol is for leftists who are for whatever reason uncomfortable with fighting any oppression outside class oppression. Also love all the literal Nazbols openly posting there
Fuck stupidpol
Do you have any idea how obnoxious you sound? You sound like me when I was like 19 and really upset about nonbinary people existing for some weird reason. Just grow the fuck up my dude.
The "excessive pronoun policing" is all in your head because it offends your privileged worldview, not because it's an actual problem in real life for most leftists. It's just you and a small bunch of privileged fucks like you.
Isn't it weird that it's somehow this big problem for the left yet you're always being yelled out of every online community except your echo chamber?
Grow up.
"I think excessive pronoun policing is overwrought and I think people are mostly disingenuous about it"
Lmao fuck off your nerd.
I understand you well enough.
There is no "idpol" problem, it's just you and a small number of privileged people like you. You're making it about yourself yet you pretend you have the best interest of "the left" in heart. Fuck off.
You're being an obnoxious piece of shit.
How do you not understand that your whole "idpol taking over leftism" argument falls the fuck apart when you repeatedly get yelled out of every leftist community except your reactionary hugbox? Shut the fuck up and go away. You're the problem, not "idpol".
So what the fuck are you doing right now then? Why die on this hill? Why defend stupidpol?
which is what stupid pol is really about.
Uh huh, sure it is.
Last time I was there it was about poor white boys feeling left out because marginalized people were getting some representation in online communities.
Actual performative neolib idpol gets dunked on here all the time so again why does stupidpol exist again?
I can discuss whatever the fuck I want right here without feeling like I'm being overly moderated.
So again, what's the point of stupidpol existing?
Never really saw somebody call chapo "strasserite". Maybe some twitter larplords but I don't take left twitter seriously at all, it's literally just teenagers at this point.
okay well it literally happens all the time. like every. single. day.
Show me.
and shit man, i dont need to prove anything.
I mean it seems like your entire argument hinges on these kinds of perceptions existing so yeah you kinda do, I'm not just gonna take your word on it.
So, uh, two blog posts made by some randos? I'm not convinced that this is some widely held opinion by the overall global left like you portray it to be.
I think you're the one with the skewed perception of things.
because your clearly in bad faith and don’t want to accept that you might be wrong so whatever
Lmao alrighty then bye.
The bourgeoisie will literally invent a reason to hate us if they have to. We should be principled because it's the right thing instead of just shrugging our shoulders and saying "well blue checks will call us tankie red fash antifa terrorists anyway."
Literally go read the comments on that thread you tool, doesn’t really line up with the bs you’re spouting.
Okay I know I keep posting here but I didn't know what stupidpol was until now and holy crap that sub is a goldmine. It's like stepping back to 2000, with edgy teens calling things gay and other slurs. They're trying way too hard to be cool lmao.
This gem in particular is the last I'll go on about it:
"That's why the original dirtbag chapo sub before the left sub purges was a one in a million gift. You could be rude, crude, a piece of shit, come as you are asshole and be accepted and make rude jokes. But this shit, this shit is just DSA-breadtube psycho shit"
Have I been visiting another site where you don't all post weird crude shit? Or are the only rude jokes they like at the expense of people who aren't our enemy, like trans folk?
Reminder that in a thread it was revealed that stupidpol users are full of landlords
https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/kgabrs/nothing_has_made_me_more_convinced_of_the/
I hold the petite bourgeois to still be part of the proletariat. Then again, I’m a propertarian communalist... so my opinion is not representative.
words don't mean anything I guess
propertarian communalist
Isn't that just a fancy term for anarcho-capitalism? Holy shit, imagine being an ancap. The most incoherent ideology possible. "Let's get rid of the State but keep Capitalism, I'm sure megacorps won't own everything and rule over us all like slavers." What dummies.
It's not even that. Various people there are straight up magas. I don't think it's most or whatever but it often happens that I see someone posting some shit on reddit and then I look into their profiles and it turns out they post in r/Conservative and r/stupidpol.
JESUS CHRIST, check one of the replies: (CW:Transphobia, ableism)
"It's fucking obscene over there right now. Rule by Cluster B. Half the users are curled up in the fetal position crying and asking each other if they've done enough to prove their unwavering commitment to "transpositivity" and the other half are demanding the admins extend the instaban to anyone who downvotes women/autists/whatever minority.
Just lurking and reading that one admin, beatnik, taunting random users about monitoring them and putting them on lists pushed me a couple steps libleft. Fuck jannies, they're why we can't have nice things."
Like holy shit the blatent lying. Apparently, we're curled up and crying to our trans overlords, when here I thought we were partying and celebrating purging the trash lol.
The projection, or... whatever that is.
they came all the way here to complain about my name then take a weird pass at me, so probably.
:trans-hammer-sickle: Dozens of us! Dozens! :trans-hammer-sickle:
What is this dipshit's username on here?
Come on, name and shame.
"I'm for Trans rights"
Please search the word 'trans' in /r/stupidpol and try to tell people with a straight face that it is not a transphobic place.
Edit: Seems like they deleted everything rather than face scrutiny
let's be fair. it was obvious half of them would. and I've been looking forward to it all day.
Account deletion time is about 3 minutes after this post. lol
they're in that thread going ooooffffff about how they're oppressed by the admins, lmao
That's so weird, don't think I've ever seen them being shitty on here?
But again; fuck them then.
I meant the user who posted the "I've been unbanned" bit. idk who mrzbry is.
I'm still mostly opposed to the policy but I'm glad at least these weirdos are gone.
Love The fact some of them in that thread have resorted to insulting us as ‘mentally ill, suicidal’ and ‘autistic’. Remind me again how that sub is different than any other reactionary shit-hole?
These people are psychopaths
Stupidpol was supposed to be a leftist sub that's against idpol but I've seen lots of very genuine chuds, Trump supporters etc post there.
Your leftism isn’t fit for purpose if you try and exclude marginalized groups concerns in favor of class Only
Thing is they're not even doing the class only thing, they had a whole thread where many people were whinging about the oppression of landlords or some shit.
They just sound like whiny and shitty leftypol, but atleast leftypol mocks the right wingers that try and post.
Comment from some dude named Elohim_the_2nd has me rolling. I believe this has copypasta potential. Thoughts?
"Why would it move you Lib left? Most of the users being blanket banned are Marxist-Leninists, and the admins have a hardon for big tent left unity shit and will ban tankies for mocking anybody else. It appears this is a “lib left” radlib clique moving to get more control on the forum. There’s a group of unnamed “auditors” who have been given access to the logs and are making the lists. Seems like it should push you more tankie if anything. This kind of shit wouldn’t happen in a dem cent party once it reaches a critical size."
:chonky-bear:
The ban on sectarianism is just a ban on disagreement effectively
I kinda agree with this, actually.
nah, only the low effort "anarkiddies" / "tankies" shit actually gets banned. actual critique and discussion happens all the time.
nah, only the low effort “anarkiddies” / “tankies” shit actually gets banned
You should tell that to BASED_BALL
if you think calling people "tankie" or "anarkiddie" is valuable disagreement/discussion idk what to tell ya, dude
we get serious discussion here all the time. go scroll through the modlog for the stuff removed for sectarianism. without fail, it is all just mindless insulting / shitslinging toward massive groups of people for not being ML/anarchist enough
well lets take a look through the modlog together, then, shall we?
"tankie is the real enemy to the revolutionary" says user ... "imperialchina." yeah, certain we'll be getting a lot of valuable discussion about our differences from this unbiased and level-headed individual
"anarchists are super embarassing larpers ngl" says another user. cant believe the mods removed this important insight
"Is this what passes for anarchist theory?" (entire comment, referring to a twitter thread) by a very well-read intellectual.
"The only difference between Tankies and Fascists is racism,cultural fetishism, and capitalism and even all that shit's fucking debateable" says a picture removed for sectarianism, though I think the point of the picture was to laugh at this statement. dunno about this removal
literally just this picture with the title "Lib test, don't fail" and then another post in the same vein by the same user
then another post i dont have context on because it and whatever it was replying to were pretty thoroughly nuked
and then "Left unity is a bad meme. Big tent shit is just liberalism." (entire comment)
so much valuable discussion being SILENCED by the anarcho-stalinist cabal of admins
Is any of that "valuable discussion"? No, of course not. It's just bullshit.
But should people be able to handle seeing that bullshit without running to the mods? Yeah, I think so.
lol come on, you cant just move the goalposts on me like that. first you claim that the stuff being removed for sectarianism isnt just mindless shitflinging, now you're saying that it is mindless shitflinging but it should be left up anyway
what are you actually trying to say? be honest with me
Just leave it all up unless it devolves into personal attacks, "mindless shitflinging" or not.
That's what I'm actually trying to say.
ok cool. why? do we really want to be 4chan where the only people who are allowed to use the site are those who are perfectly happy to have open abuse flung at them 24/7? because that's what happens when you refuse to moderate absurd toxic shitslinging. the shitslingers keep shitslinging, the non-shitslingers leave, the site is now a site for shitslinging and nothing else
That might be holdover from the first site drama, in which some MLs got banned on the discord for being super toxic, then proceeded to get banned from the site for spamming it. That's where the kerry spam originated.
