https://twitter.com/ashleylynch/status/1349107017152020480
Just for fun, listen to the clip and guess if Matt makes the case for fascism in it.
For extra fun, read the replies
Hot take: Libs' real beef with Chapo is not any political reason, it's the fact that they don't like Hamilton or the West Wing.
It's that they/we hate the dems too and their brains can't square it
Anti-Chapo people once again proving themselves to be one of the most deranged segments of Twitter.
Most of the time they don't even understand what they're trying to say.
Matt makes explicitly Marxist arguments that to the uninitiated libs are literally alien. This person certainly has no idea what fascism means or "the left" really wants, so they interpret materialist analysis that these CHUDs had no plan and thus could never have accomplished anything meaningful as "agreeing with fash". This then gets spread around their lame Twitter circle like a game of telephone.
Again, what would the CHUDs have accomplished if they had simply occupied the Capitol for a prolonged period? The answer is nothing. Merely occupying one building will not magically force the entire apparatus of state to capitulate to your outlandish demands. The only way they could have actually done a coup is if the military then threw in with them, in which case you have much bigger problems than CHUDs in the capital; regardless, there was zero chance of this happening. Meanwhile these same libs were probably falling over themselves to exalt the generals who came out to condemn Trump the other day, zero cognitive dissonance involved.
On the pod they brought up that it seems like the protesters’ plan was to appeal to the politicians they thought were sympathetic to them and ask them to do the right thing i.e. just the liberal strategy except a little more chaotic.
What "plan" they had was the fantasy that those sympathetic politicians would unilaterally abolish elections, which they don't have the power to do either individually or as a group, and would not do even if they could. Only the military can do that, so they would have had better prospects targeting the Pentagon. So essentially no plan, they were trying to alter reality by willing it into existence.
To be fair, when actions like this have taken place historically, and been successful, it's because politicians sympathetic to the cause use the momentum to take control. The problem here is that political power is so fractured and diffuse in our system that even if a Ted Cruz or some other ghoul tried, they would have been hammered down by hundreds of other equally powerful figures. The fact that the governors of both MD and VA sent in their state guard against federal law shows the kind of hurtles this strategy has.
It's not the building it's the legislators.
Only one reason why would attack a legislature like this while it's in session.
If you look at this as the far right president losing his grip on power and sending his supporters to storm the legislature in hopes of a hostage situation that he controls, then it starts to sounds more like an attempted coup. Massive security failures, obviously sabotaged responses, and finally that same president apparently getting overridden in order to facilitate a better response.
What's difference between this working and not, some additional military placements and a phone call to Erik Prince to get some pros in the crowd?
Even if they took a significant number of elite hostages this strategy still relies on the military siding with you.
"If the Chapos believe the Capitol is evil, it means they want to see Nick Fuentes behead Nancy Pelosi live on TV" is the gist of a take I'm seeing right now. Ow my brain
This is left twitter in a nutshell. They take weird personality quirks and bad takes and then amplify it to absolutely castigate other rando twitter leftists. It's extremely dark vampire castle shit, they just feed on bad faith interpersonal attacks.
Now listen here buddy, I didn't understand a single word you just said but I know in my red white and blue heart that I DIDN'T LIKE IT
Personally I find it entertaining to see the look on my highly educated lib aunts face when I agree with her they should all be in jail but also criticize them for not going far enough
That zip tie guy with his mom didn't use a single one of those fuckers
worst sedition movement ever
They broke in and bore witness to the idols of their capitalist gods and fell to their knees. Imagine if the black bloc got in there
I would have pulled her hard drive, ransacked her desk, and set the fuckin thing on fire
How are you supposed to beat a cop to death with two fire extinguishers? those sunsabitches are heavy
They should not be in jail, this negatively effects society as much as someone pirating a movie
Honestly, taking caretakers and breadwinners out of homes for extended periods of time royally fucks a community. I'd rather not their neighbors take punishment for what these folks did. They need to be deprogrammed, sure, but they should be allowed to move freely in their communities while that happens.
Lmao, where in that quote does it say he wants Fascism over liberalism. Libs proving again they care about the Capitol raid because it shattered the image of America and not because they actually care about doing anything that prevents the rise of Fascism itself.
I am literally seeing "worse than 9/11" and "darkest day in American history" takes all the time from mainstream lib media.
Its fucking wild. I'm seeing this language all over the place. As if it's worse than Japanese interment, the secession of the slave states, or the assassination of MLK.
Clutching their pearls over how this was a dangerous coup and an act of domestic terrorism was such a great hit of that sweet moral superiority for libs. They need those hits to keep them going, because after all their politics is mostly driven by their desire to Calvinistically be the "Good People". And the Redeemed always need to have the Damned present to contrast themselves with. Highlighting how bad the Bad People are validates everything they believe about themselves.
(It's also why they hate us on the left because just by us existing, we rip down the facade of moral superiority they've constructed for themselves because we believe in true equality).
I disagree with Matt's attitude on the issue, but if not taking something as seriously as others constitutes being a fascist, what the fuck have liberals been for the last several years?
horseshoe merry-go-round gymnastics make them... let's see... ah, here it is: gryffindor
Sir you have maligned the sacred chapel of democracy, and you are now fired.
Probably controversial here, but as annoying as these libs are, this analysis from Matt is dogshit. "Commentary doesn't have a material impact on politics" is a completely banal observation that he cynically employs to dismiss any sort of criticism that he's failed to properly identify the class character of the riots.
Do you mind explaining how he’s failed to properly identify the class character of the riots? He’s mentioned it being largely petite-bourgeois small business owners (etc) with a mix of others because it’s not centered around class, because America does not experience life through the lens of class.
In what way do you think there is a class nature to this that goes beyond that? To me this is entitled white people throwing a temper tantrum like their sports team lost, with probably some cops and a small handful of others who actually would do more if the mass had more militancy
It's that he's identified them as petite-bourgeois but seems to believe that they don't have class consciousness that is baffling to me. These people are completely aware that the state exists to serve their interests and their primary issue with the Biden victory is that its contingent on the working class having any say in politics at all. It's why they have people literally saying "why are the police shooting us, they are supposed to be shooting BLM" and wearing "Camp Auschwitz" shirts. He seems to want to depoliticize their motives because it would mean admitting that there is any daylight between the slow creep towards fascism under Democrats and the complete seizure of power for the capitalist class under these extremists, and when pressed on it he just starts shrieking at the camera that none of it matters and everyone needs to log off, like a baby throwing their toys out of the pram.
The petite-bourgeois doesn’t have class consciousness though, because if they did they would have gone to do this as a more concrete class movement, which this wasn’t even if the DC protests disproportionately made up of members of the petite-bourgeoisie.
If they were conscious, they would have gone en masse with the explicit purpose of making more demands than keeping Trump in power. Even if they believe Trump is better for them, this still isn’t class consciousness because they would need to have an understanding of their actual class relation, not just “less regulation more good”.
The pandemic decimated and swallowed huge numbers of petite-bourgeois small businesses and landlord operations, which will be scooped up by the bourgeoisie. These chuds have no fucking idea Trump’s management of the pandemic was more harmful to their class standing than Biden drooling behind Fauci would be.
They have no idea what their actual class interests are. Just because the source of their (increasing and relative*) immiseration is distinct from the lower classes doesn’t mean they get it. These were reactionary hogs who wanted Trump as part of cultural domination, and were simply more petite-bourgeois because they had disproportionate access to travel to DC.
They milled around like a class field trip only with approval from the police to have some fun. They’re not class conscious.
The MAGA mob does not stand in opposition to or support of global finance capital, they represent the interests of assorted local notables and regional barons, the "beautiful boaters." Lots of large businesses have condemned the riots; the National Association of Manufacturers has even asked for Pence to depose Trump using the 25th amendment. A victory for the MAGA mob (assuming it would be possible) would merely be a victory of one type of capitalist over another, not the victory of capital writ large.
I didn't say that Biden supports transfering power to the working class? I said that his victory is contingent on the working class having any say in politics, which is true: if bourgeois electoralism was purely in the hands of white landowners like it used to be, Biden would not have won.
He's already explained the class character of the riots a bunch of times. Especially in this vlog where he does it twice. Idk seems like libs are being libs yet again
I mean they did kinda spend weeks going on and on about how these people wouldn't do anything, then they changed the definition of anything and Matt started ranting about how people are too worried about things.
Doesn't make them fascists, but I personally think they should just take the L and be done with it.
Matt admitted that "they" got further than he thought, but that doesn't really change anything Biden's still going to be president. This riot, while a big deal for various reasons, was never going to change that fact.
The storming of the capitol was a genuine significant event in American history and is of importance. Let's try to establish that as the Chapo consensus and move on
changed the definition? of what? lmao they had no idea what to do except take selfies. it was a big wet fart lmao
They should have just stuck with Felix's take of: America has done this exact same thing to dozens of other countries and usually with far deadlier results. Fuck anyone complaining or pearl-clutching, America deserves this and much worse.
Matts real problem is that he doesn't think anything will change.
Which I don't knew how a historian can really have that take.
Also his clearly going nuts.
The overwhelmingly right wing cops helped enable the mob?
:shocked-pikachu:
That term has become so watered down and co-opted that neoliberals sometimes call themselves leftists, and they don't even seem to get much pushback for it. I'd almost like to just throw the term away, but I want a handy general term for socialists, communists, and anarchists. Maybe I should just explicitly say "anti-capitalists", that might genuinely be better.
Had a centrist friend of mine call himself a 'leftist'. Like, what the fuck are communists then? Outside the realm of physical existence?
neoliberals sometimes call themselves leftists,
This happens all the time in my locale's subreddit
There was always going to be an identify crisis on the left when fascism was removed from power and there was no longer an agreed upon mutual target of disgust. to channel people's outrage.
???
If fascism was removed from power, then what's the threat here? If fascism can be removed by VOOOOTing then how powerful is it? If Joe Biden can defeat fascism, how scary is it? Why is someone in BC caring so much what happened in the US? Did they storm Canada's capitol too?
There absolutely are grifters on the left and they're all offering paywalled content of them taking performative potshots at AOC for being a class traitor because they know outrage makes money.
Yeah the guy you're whining about not being outraged enough is trying to make everyone outraged so he can make money.
Also a reminder that every one of these motherfuckers got filthy rich peddling this shit.
Says the comfy editor/writer/director/color grader living in Vancouver
I think it's simpler than that. Donut emoji twitter is obsessed with this idea that the left is just a bunch of online bullies. We don't have legitimate concerns or problems with libs in power. We're just bullies who need to have a target - any target - to attack....
They'll never think of us as anything more than yelling, misogynistic Bernie Bros. Common trash who are too stupid to understand the fine nuances of politics. Idiots who either need to be educated or punished.
They have to think of us that way. We have to be bad people, otherwise they have to confront the fact that maybe the policies they support don't make them the "good" people. And since they can't attack our ideas as being bad, they have to come up with "oh the left is a bunch of mean bullies!" to make it all work in their heads.
Hot take: The reasons people mentioned are just minor grievances. The real issue is that the Chapos don't like Hamilton or the West Wing.
I mean doesn't the chuds storming the capitol prove you can't vote out fascism? Surely the libs can see that? Yes Trump may be gone in just over a week's time, but these Q anon 12 Chan fascists are still there, radicalised and waiting for the next ghoul to lead them. They'll be unsuccessful larpers until the moment they're not and actually do something like kill a politician they don't like. Yes it was funny as fuck seeing these chuds in the capitol building, but they ripped out the panic buttons of Ayanna Pressley before storming the capitol, so there's a lot everyone doesn't know yet. Also Biden is basically fascism lite in many ways. Both the lib analysis of "Back to normal ™️" and the podcast underplaying the capitol storming are flawed, though the lib analysis is much more flawed.
Are ignorant ass libs going to make me defend the podcast hosts now? You hate to see it
