FUCKING DO IT

The fee should be about 1000x higher than listed, but shit, do something

  • Wertheimer [any]
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    8 months ago

    The new fee is expected to generate as much as $20 million per year, which really isn’t a lot when you consider how much infrastructure projects can cost. And that’s largely because the proposed fees aren’t exactly punitive. Even if you own a 9,000-lb Hummer EV, you’ll reportedly only pay an extra $29.90 per year. Additionally, the fee would only be charged in the 12 most populous counties because it’s supposed to target the places where pedestrian and bicycle accidents happen the most.

    No more half-measures, Walter.

    • john_browns_beard [he/him, comrade/them]
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      8 months ago

      $29.90 per year

      Literally a joke amount, why even bother. I think 10x that would get the hogs squealing but I don't think that would slow down registrations, they love their trucks too much.

      • zephyreks [none/use name]
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        8 months ago

        Probably because once a fee is in place, raising it isn't as politically fucked?

      • FloridaBoi [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        it's meant to be completely insignificant both to not raise a fuss from drivers and to not be effective at all

        edit: the best liberal way of doing this would be to force drivers to actually face consequences from murdering people. The US is notoriously permissive with vehicular manslaughter charges only making most drivers pay fines, do community service, given probation and/or serve no jail time at all.

        With that, vehicles weighing >=4000lbs/1800kg OR engine capacities > 3.0L OR power >250hp should be required to have a minimum $1-2M liability insurance policy. Car registration fees should also scale with these factors like some other countries do.

      • nightshade [they/them]
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        8 months ago

        To put it in perspective, even $300 a year would only be like 3-5% of the amortized cost of owning a truck.

    • CTHlurker [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      I mean, how much does a propane tank really cost? I know fuck all about American prices, but I reckon you can get a decent sized tank of highly explosive propane gas for roughly 30 dollars anyway.

    • Infamousblt [any]
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      8 months ago

      Why even bother to do this if it's such a meaningless amount

      • combat_brandonism [they/them]
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        8 months ago

        rile up the chuds, fan service for the libs and do nothing material all at the same time (aka bog standard dem strategy)

        • regul [any]
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          8 months ago

          "accomplish nothing, but make the people you hate mad" could be the taglines of both parties tbh

          • combat_brandonism [they/them]
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            8 months ago

            idk the material effect of neoliberalism on the working class has been pretty significant and at least aligns with the bullshit chuds love (bootstraps, no free lunch, etc.). I guess that's pretty bipartisan tho in that libs believe those things too they just pretend it doesn't mean they hate the poor

      • joseph [he/him, they/them]
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        8 months ago

        Because the only way Colorado can afford to pay for anything (thanks to tabor) is to do a bunch of tiny random shit like this to raise money wherever possible

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    I fucking hate seeing a giant fuckoff truck with a spotless bed. All hat and no cattle motherfuckers.

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    anakin-padme-2 "Charge" like charge them with a crime right?

    anakin-padme-3

    anakin-padme-4 ... "charge" as in charge them with a crime... Right?

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    I wish this law luck against the daunting power of Burgerlanders chanting "DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" grill-broke

      • Beaver [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        "Why are you so emotional? All the atoms that make up your loved ones still exist, they're just spread all over the roadway now"

        manhattan

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          8 months ago

          A lot of bazingas can and have had takes like that, and it doesn't help that they got the movie version instead of the graphic novel.

          • VILenin [he/him]
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            8 months ago

            Why are techbros opposed to being summarily executed? Appeal to emotion fallacy perhaps? It would be good for overall society so they must support it as a matter of principle.

      • fox [comrade/them]
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        8 months ago

        Over 30mph the dominant factor in sound is tires, not engines, and you're a lot less likely to be killed by an EV sedan cruising along at a placid rate than a Road Dominator 3000 at the same pace because the sedan will hit you in the legs vs the chest and head.

    • uralsolo
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      8 months ago

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      • Helmic [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        I mean you'll look like Cotton from King of the Hill after it's done with your shins but much preferable to pink mist.

  • FUCKRedditMods@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    I’m in North Carolina and I find myself picking out vehicles and saying “DEAD” in my head if they’re designed to obliterate pedestrians and other vehicles. So many goddamn lifted trucks, so many massive flat front ends.

    Just the other day I counted like 29 deads, vs 4 lives, and 9 maybes

  • culpritus [any]
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    8 months ago

    This reminds me of the anti-slavery prop that passed in Colorado, then a judge looked at it and was like "na that's not what that really means lol".

    i-voted

    • ikiru@lemmy.ml
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      8 months ago

      They'll decide that they should only be charged the fee and avoid prison time once they crush pedestrians.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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      8 months ago

      Was it Colorado or California? Because I know in California newsom vetoed the prison slavery bill because paying them minimum wage is “too expensive”

      • culpritus [any]
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        8 months ago

        In Colorado it was a judge that did it because prisoners tried to bring a case over it after it passed.

        https://www.coloradopolitics.com/courts/appeals-court-says-prohibition-on-involuntary-servitude-not-applicable-to-prison-labor/article_f18a725c-2267-11ed-b33c-6f1fbd3a1b84.html

        it's literally i-voted + wonder-who-thats-for

        • uralsolo
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          8 months ago

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  • LeylaLove [she/her, love/loves]
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    8 months ago

    Even ignoring deaths caused by the size of these being unsafe, people should realistically pay tax based on the weight of their vehicle. We actually have a formula to find out how much force a car is putting on the road, which is totally proportional to how much damage it does to the road. Formula to compare damage between vehicles is (weight of vehicle 1/weight of vehicle 2)4. This is an exponential function. Which means, my Prius (pretty much the best car you can get for this) does 50,000x more damage to the road than a bicycle with an exceptionally heavy person on it. A car being an extra thousand pounds isn't just an extra thousand pounds of weight on the road, it's (pretty much, this is NOT exact, I'm too high to really think about my old notes) 10004 more damage to the road.

    With this knowledge, cars are barely even a real issue. The study was taken down unfortunately, but a loaded semi is pretty much the equivalent of 10,000 cars. There is an argument to be made that road maintenance would be completely financially viable if it we had high speed rail to replace semis. Ignoring any leftist slant and just going into the universe that carbrains inhabit, this is something carbrains should support. Semis objectively suck to drive around, you can't pass them on the right side unless you have a death wish, and passing in the passing lane is still questionable with their lines of sight. Also because of the insane exploitation of these truckers by corporations, the people driving these trucks shouldn't be driving. My old drugs of choice was SUPER popular among truckers because you don't get tested for it unless you're on probation and have a smart officer. It wasn't a stimulant per se, more like alcohol with far less numbing and stupidity. But if you took the right dose, it would let you stay up for DAYS at a time without feeling it, and it wasn't a heavy enough downer to make you tired unless you wanted it to make you tired. Plus, after you sleep on a decent dose, it becomes a full stimulant as a sleep med. You can get this drug at a TON of gas stations, I've seen Casey's, Love's, and Maverick all stocking it. At best, the trucker you're passing is extremely sleep deprived and running off 72 hours of drinking coffee. At worse, you're dealing with someone using meth to stay up or (I'm not saying what my old DOC is, once you start learning about it it crosses from a normal drug to a straight cognition hazard) speedyxanaxtm to not feel the effects of staying up. Either way, they're essentially driving 10,000 cars at a time when they realistically shouldn't even be driving 1.

    • Abracadaniel [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      yeah your math is a bit off. Don't think of it in terms of weight but in proportions.

      A 50% weight increase corresponds to: 1.54=5.0625

      So more than 5 times the road damage.

      https://streetsmn.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/vehicle-weight-and-damage-chart.jpg

      • LeylaLove [she/her, love/loves]
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        8 months ago

        Thank you for the correction. Like I said, I'm too high to analyze my notes from high school and my old sources were all dead links. The point still stands though, a semi is doing a ton of damage to the road compared to normal vehicles. Cars aren't sustainable for other reasons, but currently the big issue I see in America is an inability to actually maintain the infrastructure that's there. Even ignoring environmental damage and everything else, semis essentially make maintaining roads impossible

    • BigHaas [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      Release the speedyxanax secret... It's Kanna right?

  • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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    8 months ago

    If this passes it could definitely reduce the arms race because in order to be safe on the road, you also need a death machine.

    The one critique that is somewhat valid is that many people do need trucks for work, but what’s missing from this critique is that car manufacturers abandoned the small truck market and only peddles this bullshit. Small trucks are a dime a dozen unfortunately. But still. If people need trucks for work then maybe it’s time to demand the company pay for it

    • KarlBarqs [he/him, they/them]
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      8 months ago

      The one critique that is somewhat valid is that many people do need trucks for work

      There is almost no work the average contractor can do that wouldn't be better served with a cargo van like a Ford Transit. For anything that absolutely requires a bed, a trailer or Kei truck is superior

      • Vyvanse@lemm.ee
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        8 months ago

        I see lots of trucks in my area that are pulling trailers loaded with equipment that a transit van or kei truck would never be able to haul safely or at all. Realistically, if we’re talking about work trucks, there does need to be a middle ground between a transit van/small pickup and semi trucks/heavy duty commercial vehicles. I do agree that most people with these giant vehicles definitely do not need them though.

        • fox [comrade/them]
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          8 months ago

          These monsters only exist because some nonsense laws make emissions standards much more lax for vehicles above a certain size threshold. They weren't made to fill a gap in the market, they were made to evade taxes and marketing made people think the Canyonero was a good car to buy

  • Grownbravy [they/them]
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    8 months ago

    I’ve been noticing all the new pavement in the city having these two parallel tracks that show up after a little time, and there’s no coincidence

    • Mokey [none/use name]
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      8 months ago

      All the benches, garbage cans, little stone artifaces and trees on the sidewalk are actually covert bollards to stop cars from running everyone over on either purpose or accident.