Came here to post this, and how surprising it is that most of the top-most comments are calling this out as propaganda. This includes a few posts that are essentially "lol Zenz," which is doubly encouraging because this is getting well enough known that you don't need a carefully-worded, 30-link comment to not get downvoted to hell.
I did one anyways and instantly got 5 upvotes. Definitely a good sign
just gifted you my free silver award, let's hope more people can see your comment.
Good fucking comment there by that u/deebgoncern. Surprised to see that so highly upvoted
I can't remember exactly what the situation was, but basically Kony wasn't really a problem anymore and this provided support for deployment of US troops to Uganda/DRC.
They didn't want another Sankara I'm guessing. There had been internal discussions about sending troops since 2010, but Kony gave them the political capital to do it without backlash.
good to see people fighting back. half the posts are "why aren't we stopping this? this is exactly like nazi germany" but the other half are noticing that the "25000 pages" are actually 50 pages, mostly by Zenz (I'm surprised this guy doesnt have a pseudonym by now, he's a PR nightmare)
actually most of these are bashing Zenz, get fucked
My favorites are the people commenting "Noone will do anything because profit motive and money corrupts" then go "GOMMNUISM KILLS, CHINA BAD" in the next breath
When capitalists become convinced they need strong, aggressive, reactions to communism, outside the traditional franework of capitalist organization, you get Fascism.
Theyve been saying that forever, my history teacher was saying that when he taught us about Tiananmen Square. The good news is they're kinda right about the first part, at this point the west would collapse without china
Kinda reminded of the second century of the Foundation series, when the Traders start selling consumer goods and tools to Korell. Then when Korell moves to invade, the Foundation cut off all trade and Korells factories grind to a halt, their consumer goods begin to fail and they're unable to support their fleets long enough to even reach the Foundation before they surrender.
minute 48.00
wtf ? https://player.fm/series/war-nerd-radio-subscriber-feed-2633026/radio-war-nerd-ep222 (zenz episode)
I think you linked the wrong ep, I'm getting the coronavirus in italy ep
In a couple months, China will start closing these centers and Reddit will claim to have stopped a genocide.
We did it Reddit!!!
:crab-party: :crab-party: :crab-party:
they won't believe China's government, but the official statement is here
http://english.scio.gov.cn/pressroom/2019-12/11/content_75501330_6.htm
that's page 6, but the entire press conference is very informative
lets not forget a imperial media machine , not better demonstratad in "Adrian Zenz" that is carefully designed to mislead...
give reddit some slake its moving as we see... suffering... defeat ... and eternal moral sticks swung by the media brings sight...
I'm sort of going off what Historyprimer1 said too, but this isn't a good argument to be against these claims. A genocide can happen and still have survivors 20 years later. Again I'm not trying to say the reports or true or not, I know they're not, I just mean that survivors doesn't mean nothing ever happened to a group.
Are genocides usually associated with increasing population? When Zenz cites decreases, he only ever mentions birthrates and not actual population. Declining population is a lot harder to explain than declining birthrates which is normal for a region experiencing growth of incomes and access to family planning services.
Jews are very much still around. Native Americans are very much still around, This is a bad argument and you should feel bad.
It's worth saying, though, that Jews are conspicuously absent/sparse in Central and Eastern Europe, and Native Americans are conspicuously absent/sparse in the eastern USA.
We need one of those big ass wall o texts full of reliable links regarding US propaganda that can be dropped into this sort of post and then brigaded into a BestOf.
https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/lsaet8/a_masterpost_of_sources_for_debunking_xinjiang/
Casual viewer only reads the headline. They see "ChinA BAaAaaD!!1!!" 116262x gold whatever the fuck medal shit. Even if the comments are against the title it doesn't matter.
Like hypothetically speaking the way to stop world news type subs from being anti china would be complete deplatforming of anti-china related """news"""(read: 95% of the time some bullshit article about some bullshit report made by CIA intern or Zens) by deletion or straight downvotes. Otherwise all the users see is that anti-china content is good and well received by the community.
an 18 year old in the comments has 3k upvotes for calling for WW3 over a "Holocaust." a normal ass day on Reddit
Would it even be allowed to be posted there? r/politics is usually kept to US stuff. you know, like how Putin made me not vote for Joe.
Basically as long as a US Politician is named in the headline you are good for r/Politics. It could literally be about anything, so long as X Congress member says Y about it.
Grateful for those of us not banned from r/worldnews carrying the torch
One thing they leave out about the genocide definition: if requires an intent to at least partially destroy the group in question. Effectively, you must prove genocidal intent before any act can be counted as genocide. They've yet to do this. But lets go over the acts:
killing members of the group
Most of what they describe for this is old people dying in jail. Not being killed, just dying of being old.
They cite one Radio Free Asia report with an anonymous source confirming a few hundred deaths. Even it admits that there are no details of who died and how.
causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
This refers to imprisonment.
deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Again, mainly imprisonment.
imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
This is pretty standard Chinese population control measures. There's always been reports of abuse in this system, but it's weird they're claiming these are part of a genocide aimed at Uyghurs, when the US has been characterizing these as non-racially motivated rights abuses forever.
and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
This means orphans left in state care while their parents are in the camps. They're not abducting children.
In conclusion: China is carrying out a mass indoctrination campaign, creating a surveillance state, and trying to reshape the economy (and thus, inevitably, lifestyle) of the region.
None of these are genocide.
This is pretty standard Chinese population control measures. There’s always been reports of abuse in this system, but it’s weird they’re claiming these are part of a genocide aimed at Uyghurs, when the US has been characterizing these as non-racially motivated rights abuses forever.
The evangelical nut claiming that having the Uighurs conform to birth limitation rules they were previously excepted from is a deliberate attempt to conflate birth control and abortion with genocide.
That is what is most dangerous about this propaganda campaign, after the whole priming the American people for war mindset. If they can get these allegation to stick and earn the backing of a real international institution like the UN, they will 100% start weaponizing this rhetoric at home.
40 mentions or citations of Zenz in a 55 page report with many 3rd party articles cited also linking to Zenz' 'research'
Is this considered "living rent free in our minds"? Or is he actually paying rent to live there...
