• BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    This thread doesn't seem so ba-

    We can be liberals in the same way the National Socialists were socialists.

    explosion hitler-detector

  • wombat [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    The Biden admin needs to launch a massive propaganda campaign against communism and fascism online. They are currently playing with their hands tied behind their backs. Spend half of their re-election budget on online trolls on twitter, reddit, tiktok to absolutely destroy anyone that pushes communism and fascism. Hit social media company owners who allow anti-western extremism to fester. Release hit pieces in the media not just against the white supremacy right, but also against the commie left. Make deals with CEOs and wallstreet to stamp out any of that shit from their corporate culture like they did with ESG. The GOP essentially kicked the corporate and military wings out of their party, use that to your fucking advantage. Hit college campuses too. Communism and fascism should be painted in the same light as racism and homophobia basically. Western Lives Matter should be the new BLM. I want to see protests where kids are burning the hammer and sickle flags along swastika flags. I want to see Greta fucking Thunberg wear a NATO shirt to the Met Gala. No tactic should be left off the table.

    what the fuck is wrong with these people

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Do they not realize that anticommunism is already hegemonic in the state and business spheres?

    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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      1 year ago

      The Biden admin needs to launch a massive propaganda campaign against communism

      Please, I can only see that going well for us.

    • IceWallowCum [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Western Lives Matter should be the new BLM

      /

      No tactic should be left off the table

      Somethig tells me he doesn't actually want to see burning swastikas

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Spend half of their re-election budget on online trolls on twitter, reddit, tiktok to absolutely destroy anyone that pushes communism and fascism

      Oh my god this person is 14 years old, has to be. The idea that Reddit and Twitter reflect at all the voting populace is so detached from reality.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      The Biden admin needs to launch a massive propaganda campaign against communism and fascism online. They are currently playing with their hands tied behind their backs. Spend half of their re-election budget on online trolls on twitter, reddit, tiktok to absolutely destroy anyone that pushes communism and fascism. Hit social media company owners who allow anti-western extremism to fester. Release hit pieces in the media not just against the white supremacy right, but also against the commie left.

      Why would Democrats attack the far right?

      Show
      Show

      • panopticon [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        That's one of the (many) problems with these clowns, they don't realize that the ideology they're espousing is already a variation of fascism

      • RonPaulyShore [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Pied piper strategy won the biggest midterm in a hundred years, but go off cause hillary lost 8 years ago or whatever

        • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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          1 year ago

          Right because that’s very important. Now that we have more progressive democrats in office after the midterm, the number of fascist sympathizers have decreased significantly? And the QAnon candidates who won in my state? They don’t exist! Only the very impactful victories matter

          • RonPaulyShore [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            The Dems existing as they are is bad and their policies are bad; you don't need to pretend that are foolishly funding the far right.

            • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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              1 year ago

              I know healthcare is expensive, but surely you’re able to get glasses to see the stories written by the liberal media about their party doing exactly that which I generously appended to my OP. I don’t give a shit if they “succeeded.” What makes you think grifting fascists exhausted their funds and didn’t just keep the blank check from their democratic donors?

        • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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          1 year ago

          Wow I'm so glad Dems won, they definitely used that power to improve my circumstances and didn't just sit with their thumbs up their asses

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      No please, do it. Expose more people to the idea that communism is a thing that a) exists and b) opposes the democratic party. Especially using those heavy handed tactics and the influence of the wealthy and powerful. Like, nothing give communism more credibility imo than a CEO opposing it.

      I can't think of a better winning position.

      These are people who are winning the 'ideology' war and are still upset about it because they can't gloat. Pathetic.

      • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.

        Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

        Two things result from this fact:

        I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

        II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

    • Elon_Musk [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      The GOP essentially kicked the corporate and military wings out of their party, use that to your fucking advantage.

      data-laughing

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      1 year ago

      if only there was some kind of third way

      what commie left? what fucking hit pieces that aren't already printed any time a progressive cause gets even a little bit of attention? where are the CEOs going to find communism in their corporate culture?? you can't do mccarthyism anymore there aren't any communists left you raving fucking lunatic!

      western lives matter

      oh, okay, they're actually a nazi

    • HornyOnMain
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      1 year ago

      Western Lives Matter should be the new BLM

      hitler-detector

    • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Something happens westernly west in the west

      Western liberals: "What are we a bunch of Asians!?!?!"

    • stigsbandit34z [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Honestly, I hope the anticommunism campaign happens lol

      You won’t get far trying to paint the people who want affordable housing and decent wages as evil and that would be the best press we’ve gotten in a long time

      • duderium [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Except they don’t paint us as wanting that. They say that communism goes against human nature and ends up instantly murdering trillions of people.

  • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    It sucks arguably the best and most effective president of my lifetime might lose reelection to a career criminal because he is 3 years older.

    What planet are these people inhabiting - they're both career criminals for one, it's not the age it's the collapsing your economy supporting Ukraine and pretending COVID isn't happening that's the problem.

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      The economic claims all just reveal that these people are making over $100k and living in a bubble. Even people doing reasonably well are noticing shit just keeps getting worse.

      • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Fr, ranting about how shit the economy is and everything becoming more expensive is a pretty common conversation piece. Really gives away how out of touch these idiots are.

        • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Because they assume that GDP, Stock Market and Job Creation are the only measure of how good the economy is.

          Not more relevant statistics like: rent prices, food prices, wages

          You can create millions of jobs but it doesn't matter a bit if those jobs can't afford a 1 bedroom apartment in any part of the country. Its the most clearest signal of how privileged the people on that subreddit in particular are.

          • Kieselguhr [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            Stock Market

            Even stocks are not doing well, the S&P 500 is trading around the same level as it was 2.5 years ago.

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          1 year ago

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      • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Not like 80% of people under 35 will ever own a house anyway, but mortgage rates are at 8% right now. Even people making good cash would be paying 50+% of their income towards housing right now. What fucking planet are they from that that sounds like a healthy economy?

    • KarlBarqs [he/him, they/them]
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      1 year ago

      a career criminal

      I love it when liberals accidentally stumble close to the point and then miss it entirely

      Yes Trump is a career criminal, but that's because he's a capitalist. These dorks think he's some evil mastermind criminal who's plotting the destruction of America or some shit. They're so close to getting it but then stumble right at the end.

      • privatized_sun [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Biden giving the decapitated, post-neoliberal market reforms remains of Ukraine for his worthless son to exploit isn't a criminal career!

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    • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Unironically he might be the best president in my lifetime. He pulled out of a war, that's something. It says more about the state of the competition than his own competence though.

      • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        he started a war with russia. Trump also initiated the afghanistan withdrawal, Biden merely followed through on Trump's plan

        • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Agreed, again it's not a sign that he was good really, it's just that the competition sucks so bad that he comes out looking alright by comparison.

          • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            He is literally protecting Israel as it does a genocide to start WW3. Possibly one of the worst presidents ever, worse than Trump by miles

            • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              I mean "US president letting Israel do a genocide" is par for the course since like the 70s. It's not like Donny boy or Obungler would be stopping it. But for sure it's horrific, dude sucks bad. I'm not going to bat for him.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      1 year ago

      calling yourself a neoliberal is so fuckin funny honestly. i think it's underrated how it just wasn't a self-identification until these redditors read a few wikipedia articles and said "hm, liberalism sounds cool, but what's all this stuff about the welfare state and the public good? no thank you, i just like rooting for institutional power."

    • JK1348 [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Oooooo that's the stuff that made Stalin put you in a blender

    • kristina [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      Full throated /r/neoliberal posters are insane to me. Like how do you even get that way

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    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      No suprise there. Nazi economic policy was basically identical to neoliberalism. They'll eventually end up looking more similar in every other way too.

  • PKMKII [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    The better he does, the more voters hate him.

    “Could it possibly be that our chosen candidate is failing to deliver adequately to voters? No, they must be dumb-dumb heads living in opposite land.”

    [Biden] Cons: protectionism, but it’s not like we have much of a choice.

    It’s okay when Team Blue does it!

    I’m honestly at a loss for what people want out of Biden

    The six hundred bucks he owes me? A strategy for getting control of the courts that doesn’t involve waiting thirty years for the ghouls currently on it to die? Considering Palestinians to be human beings? Forcing the rail owners to eat the union’s demands instead of the other way around?

    China and Russia overextended and on their back foot

    projection

    Has defeated COVID

    Yes, that’s right, no one is catching COVID anymore!

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      China and Russia overextended and on their back foot

      This one is especially unhinged. Like, okay, Russia I could buy. But CHINA?! They're just going from win to win.

        • Judge_Juche [she/her]
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          1 year ago

          It's amazing they are focusing on that becuase China defused the Evergrande bankruptcy extremely easily with few knock on effects. Like you see that and how the US completely fucked up the 2008 response despite having more resources, but still think China's the one that's about to collapse.

      • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Also, if it were true, leaving the people of Russia and China in a position to be pillaged by the richest Americans is far from a good thing.

      • panopticon [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        This one is especially unhinged

        That's fuckin hilarious, I was gonna say almost the exact same words, lmao. Like even if that were true, why should I be happy about that? I do not think it's a good thing to make enemies out of nearly a quarter of the world's population, and US neoliberals are addicted to making enemies.

        • OrionsMask [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Because they think they're untouchable. They have nukes on everyone's doorstep and a populace stupid enough to cheer on using them. Americans need to be humbled in a big way, it's the only way to force the savages to stop lusting after blood.

    • ProletarianDictator [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      The better he does, the more voters hate him.

      Biden could sit as his desk and fondle his balls for 4 years continuously, and he would easily be better and more likeable than he is now.

      I’m honestly at a loss for what people want out of Biden

      Must be sooo comfortable living in their heads...and their material posture.

    • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      Has defeated COVID

      Joe Biden beat the crap out of John COVID and now no one ever catches COVID any more.

  • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    I’m honestly at a loss for what people want out of Biden 🤷🏻‍♀️ Alternatively I don’t know who people want instead. Wouldn’t this mythical candidate have won the primary and presidency in 2020 if they existed?

    the fact you need to ask this is why you're losing. how do you smugly call yourselves smart analytical adults in the room and you can't even read the room?

  • D3FNC [any]
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    1 year ago

    Okay, seeing that guy with John Brown flair comment "I don't know what more people could want from Biden" made me an accelerationist

    God damn that subreddit is a hellhole

    • ProletarianDictator [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      People like this are the strongest propaganda tools for Marxism in the US, and they don't even know it.

      When radlibs try to tell people who like the aesthetics of anarchy that the Democratic party is anything but the lesser of two evils, it signals that their radical aesthetic has now been coopted by the lamestream, and that to maintain that radical aesthetic, they must deviate further from the overton window.

      The State Department's favorite radlibs are the ones that act as an escape valve on Marxist pressure, not pump more air into it.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    1 year ago

    Social media completely changed the way opinions disseminate. It would take a miracle to see any President above 50% again. Trump social media machine was very, very effective, a lot better than Biden's, and he was only 0.7% above.

    "widespread dissatisfaction with power has nothing to do with any actual decline in the political system's ability to respond to the public's needs and everything to do with mass media technologies. nothing can fundamentally change, all we can do is better manage perceptions."

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I hate this snobbish, anti-democratic bullshit. It appears here too. We need some sort of education for the site on Mass Line principles.

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Neither Anerican party likes democracy. Dems want a full technocracy run by The Adults In The Room(tm) and Republicans want a Christo-fascist ethnostate. The compromise is a plutocracy with a mostly non functioning government and a massive military to facilitate imperialism

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    I hate voters

    I thought these were supposed to be the "democracy over all" dorks

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      lol no, they're out-and-proud technocrats. They're self-described anti-populists who think the unwashed masses are too stupid to know what's good for them and need to be ruled by their betters (read: people whose parents had the money and connections to get them into Ivy League schools)

      • ProletarianDictator [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        "Democracy" is the bludgeon they use to beat the masses into submission when they need to clear room for bourgeois interests.

        Whenever democracy is put into practice, they'll bend over backwards to call it any other name like "mob rule," "cult of personality," or "authoritarianism"

        Notice how Ukraine went from "corrupt kleptocracy" to "European democracy" when it was necessary to whip up support for US interests in the region.

    • StalinwasaGryffindor [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      This is one of the funniest things about their ideology. Democracy is supposedly one of the pillars of neoliberalism, but voters absolutely hate neoliberals and will only vote for them to keep a worse option out of power (see Macron and Trudeau for example)

      • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        They love elections so long as nothing of importance or value is allowed to be on the ballot

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    • HornyOnMain
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      1 year ago

      Me, a suburban former Republican supporting him even harder

      "I'm doing my part!"

      thinking-about-it

    • Dolores [love/loves]
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      1 year ago

      it's kind of amazing isn't it? person with zero political education: shit sucks and hasn't gotten much better.

      people who've been completely bamboozled by bourgeois economics: well you see the quarterly annualized gdp growth and the fed's interest policy in fact mean we are already living in heaven, why can't anyone else see this?

      people who've studied actual economics: shit sucks and hasn't gotten much better

      in that thread these galaxy-brains are actually circle jerking each other around unironically acting like poverty is not a concern for "average voters". they're such well-read "wonks" yet they so confidently exclude poor people completely from political consideration because they are "on average" less likely to vote. when anyone suggests anything to get non-voters on board (not genociding palestine, actually helping poor people), that's extremism that will turn the important swing voters against the democrats.

    • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      as much as i hate to say it, it is just the dunning kruger effect in action

      people who have read a couple of economics blogs thinking they are experts

  • ksynwa_from_lemmygrad [he/him, des/pair]
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    1 year ago

    I bless you all with this comment:

    Pros: Best foreign policy president of my lifetime. Best jobs president of my lifetime. Most progressive president since FDR. Understands humanity and the plight of both Israelis and Palestinians. Gets high marks on the economy from anybody with a tiny bit of macroeconomic literacy.

    Cons: three years older than opponent.

    Result: Clap, you stupid bastards.

    • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Much as I hate chuds, there's something about the smug, pretentious, condescending, obnoxious tone and content that these bourgeois liberals all seem to have that makes me understand why a bunch of white working class people just get driven into the arms of cultural nationalists like the Republicans who refuse to abide by the same absurd language and standards. Like my instinctive repulsion and contempt is stronger in a way when I see a pretentious lib talk than a ridiculous Republican. The latter I still fear and would like to see merked in minecraft, but there's something more especially intuitively infuriating about liberals.

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        They take so long to say nothing, and they take such pride in it. They talk like they're about to blow your mind, but then 5 confusing and aggravating minutes later you realize that you're just hearing a baroque retelling of the same two cows, civic religion horseshit we were all taught as children, and you kind of get mad at yourself for thinking that maybe this time they would have something insightful to say.

        Everything they say feels masturbatory, thats's the word I wanted

      • privatized_sun [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        smug, pretentious, condescending, obnoxious tone and content that these bourgeois liberals all seem to have

        :amber:

  • Rom [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    4.9% annualized GDP growth as other developed nations stagnate, inflation under control to the most reasonable possible level given the stimulus and 2 wars

    Line go up. The more up the line go, the gooder the president.

  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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    1 year ago

    Pros: Best foreign policy president of my lifetime. Best jobs president of my lifetime. Most progressive president since FDR. Understands humanity and the plight of both Israelis and Palestinians. Gets high marks on the economy from anybody with a tiny bit of macroeconomic literacy.

    Cons: three years older than opponent.

    Result: Clap, you stupid bastards.

    Jesus fuck are these real people?