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  • 707R [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    It's more like it's a pipeline of getting liberals to believe "all of humanity is a virus" to then getting them to believe "specific sections of humanity are a virus." I don't think it's really possibly to combine the elitism of facist ideology with the equalizing phrase "we're all a virus."

    • dave297 [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      "the browns and Chinese are the virus and want to take the share of the resources you and your family need"

      • 707R [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        That guy who shot up Walmart in Arizona, I think, or maybe it was the Christchurch guy? I can't remember. One of their manifestos was ecofasistic and I read a bit of it but they still considered the west to massively consumerist and awful in this regard. Like, it was pretty clear they considered first world whites to be part of the problem. I still don't see fascists doing this thing online leftists think they're doing with solely blaming the third world, that seems like more of a Bill Gates/neolib thing.

    • a_maoist_quetzal [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      for the thanos thing it's just like "sure someone caused half of everyone to die but it was basically just luck which people"

      • Des [she/her, they/them]
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        4 years ago

        woke ecofascism will be a lottery everyone is forced to participate in (except those that buy their way out)

  • HarryLime [any]
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    4 years ago

    Samuel L Jackson in Kingsmen was going to kill everyone but a few thousand rich people because of climate change.

      • Biggay [he/him, comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Its less that these films have the ecofascists as villains, its that they dont sell an alternative at all. The villains may fail, but translated to the real world, we never see the root of these problems addressed and dealt with. Jackson may get his head blown off but what happened to climate change? That was the real villain in first place.

      • threshold [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Then they jumped from that to the villain being a girl boss wanting to legalise all drugs (How horrifying!) From memory the way the Pres handled the infected people was terrifyingly prescient.

        • camaron28 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I mean, i wouldn't trust femBezos to legalize all drugs. The pharmaceutical companies already have too much power in america, can you imagine their power if they made all opiates legal? The opium stuff in China would be a joke compared with that.

          • threshold [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Oh yeah, that's a whole new topic that will be an issue 5-10 years from now in Western countries. Weed, hallucinogens, maybe even party drugs will become legalised but heavily capitalised.

            Then again, the positives of potentially expunging drug offences might be offered as an exchanged for heavily deregulated drug laws. Similar to trading off continuing with Cuomo for weed laws.

            • camaron28 [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              That may be an american thing due to the war on drugs. In my country the drug discussion is more chill and WAY down in the list of priorities.

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      He was a comical villain. Thanos is different because he is presented as "nuanced". But SLJ was just a ridiculous caricature.

  • FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Agent Smith literally says this: https://youtu.be/JrBdYmStZJ4?t=118

    I have to yell "That's just capitalism!" at the screen whenever I watch this scene now...

    Bonus: lol at the recommended video when I grabbed the clip: Agent Smith Was Right

    • VILenin [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      What's with people's obsession with stating that the villain's were actually good guys to prove they have 2000 IQ?

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        The world is bad, villans hate the world, they are by default closer to being right

      • StLangoustine [any]
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        4 years ago

        It's just contrarianism. I wonder if someone written something interesting about contrarianism, because leftist forums are full of it and I've never seen its nature discussed.

  • StLangoustine [any]
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    4 years ago

    Seems like them wanting to kill a bunch of people to save the environment has become the preferred way to write an "apolitical" terrorist or genocidal villain.

    • 5bicycles [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It's not about eco though, because it's not about changing. It's about slowing down the enviromental destruction enough to keep living on the consumerist dream 'till you're dead. None of the fucking chuds who argue for eugenics to save the world actually care about conserving it, they just see their own lives in danger and think the preferrable solution to this is genocide.

      Which is why I think eco fascism is sort of a misnomer, it's just fascism. And also while all the apolitical villains in media actually care about saving the planet instead of themselves. It's not that the solution feels wrong to most people, it's just that they're targeting the wrong folks.

      • StLangoustine [any]
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        4 years ago

        Exactly. Actual ecofash like Pine Tree Party aren't overly radical environmentalists. They are honest to god nazis that just focus on the nazi idea of mystical connection of ubermensch white people to nature a bit more than other nazis.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    4 years ago

    thanos was the bad guy, and his plan was dumb and didn't make sense

    i mean i can accept that they meant for him to be a totally BlackPillled Supervillain Who Sort of Has a Point, but they're just such bad writers I don't think he's a mindhazard to most viewers.

  • protochud [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    there's a reason this exists https://www.reddit.com/r/thanosdidnothingwrong/

    people hiding behind an ironic facade in agreement with an ecofascist

  • LargeAdultSon [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I enjoyed Godzilla KotM in the most dumbguy way possible. I felt like I was an excited 7-year-old whenever King Ghidorah was on screen and was just stocked overall to see expensive, blockbuster versions of the big 4 fighting it out. But yoh, was the story hot garbage though.

    The Godzilla movie I want the most is basically the exact opposite of this ecofascist trash. Let's go back to him being an unstoppable force punishing humanity for our destructive arrogance, but this time capitalism instead of nukes. Give me a big heavy-handed climate change allegory fucking shit up while bumbling old ghouls try to implement technocratic and eventually military solutions that all predictably fail. And instead of the resolution being a bigger bomb, it's at best like post-apocalyptic communism.

    • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Just watch Shin Godzilla then. That's pretty much what it is, plus it's made by Eva guy.

      • MerryChristmas [any]
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        4 years ago

        Seconding this recommendation. I'm a suckered for anything with cool monster transformation sequences, and Shin Godzilla absolutely delivers on that front.

        Only vaguely related, but have y'all seen The Howling? It came out the same year as American Werewolf in London so it didn't receive the attention it deserved, but man does it have some sick practical effects. It's also got a clearly feminist agenda, which is much qppreciated in a genre that is so often focused on the "monstrous feminine."