balkanization when?
"Heartland"
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Also, the materialist in me says there's no way secession happens because each state gains way too much from being a part of the imperial core i.e. the dominance of the petrodollar and the ability of the US to bully other countries to get favor terms on trade and investment.
The issue here is that many states can’t actually do this because they can’t print money to pay for things, unlike the federal government. Maybe if the federal government constantly bailed them out this approach would have a shot.
My own state is (like all states I assume), by and for the rich. Since the rich are the only ones with assets to tax, and since they don’t want to be taxed to pay for anything, this approach is hopeless without frequent federal bailouts. It would probably lead to a lot of borrowing which would then of course lead to economic collapse.
A split in America would be the most hilarious end to global hegemonic empire. The remains of the split territories would immediately get picked over for scraps by the most ghoulish agents of remaining neoliberal power. The south would get instantly seized by various financial authorities who would keep smashing the austerity button until their fingers bleed.
Texas would just instantly collapse and become some kind of puppet state for the Yankee Commonwealth or the...New California Republic or whatever those are. The Port Arthur and Houston ports would become like how the Panama canal used to be, legal territory of somewhere else and subject to lopsided trade agreements. Need to keep those Saudi oil shipments coming in and Texas is always broke, so I could easily see President Greg Abbott getting immediately pressured into a deal just to keep the lights on.
Also, all of this would just lead to China having an easier time in its ascendancy, regardless of how any of these goofballs in the survey consider things going
How the fuck is Texas broke?! From first glance it has major resources, major ports, cities with high tech infrastructure, decent pastoral agriculture. On paper it's a tax goldmine. It's not Arkansas or something.
You'd think even the An-caps wouldn't be able to fuck that up much more than refusing infrastructure rework.
The Republic of Dave but it’s shitbird’s old boss in his crumbling mcmansion
aw fuck please don't chain texas to the south, I can barely tolerate florida
Doesn't Texas want to be its own country, like not linked with any other states?
Most of my fellow Texans I know who advocate for this are saying it under the pretense that a New Republic of Texas would also forcefully remove Hispanic people...who compromise 40% of the population, so saying "Texas" wants this is a bit misleading
I'm in favor of the state going back to the Caddo, Apache, Coushatta, etc
I guess we can squad up with the less shitty southern states louisiana, arkansas and maybe oklahoma to form new texas
I think some of those countries would break up further, like Texas, New Mexico and Hawaii I see easily being their own. Whenever I think of future balkanization the first state on my mind isn't Texas, but Hawaii. The Hawaiians I've spoken to are proud af of their state and have a pretty strong sense of belonging to it, even if they're outside of the native community, which surprised me. Seems, I'm not a local this is just a layperson's limited observations, I also dated a native for a while (who was of the 'oh yea Hawaii would totally be independent during a balkanization' mindset, back to my peoples' hands as it should be), so that biases me as well.
Having lived in CA a number of years, I think it'd split depending how/why we balkanize . Examples, us has a sudden rather non violent collapse for heck knows why, since I can't imagine the wild-ass US passing away gracefully in its sleep like a respectable state, CA probably would stick together, minus some rando secessionists in Jefferson. Something more violent and sudden, would lead to a lot of fracturing, but this would be country-wide.
I think the Midwest Heartland region is too generous, almost every state around the Great Lakes or connecting said states would be in and that would be it. People aren't going to join something they don't have a connection with historically. WI doesn't know nor care to know KS and vice-versa. The US was a prison. Anyway, the Great Lake country would probably get 'freedumbed' by the Canadians depending what happens just for that liquid gold.
I'd add WV, KS to the southern states, optionally split off TX, again depending on how/why balkanization.
I'd like to add on that Utah would also likely break off independently during an American balkanization. Mormons are shockingly organized.
The Mormon church could field a militia from its members in like a day. Utah would immediately seize parts of Arizona, Idaho, and Nevada to form a caliphate for Mormons (New Deseret).
California would have to recognize their independence and play nice with them to continue to get water from the rivers that flow through those states.
Yes, Mormons are supposed to stockpile in case of hardship too. You can go stores they set up (same with Amish/Mennonites) and get food in bulk for super cheap.
The Hawaiian natives that i've met were big fans of, if they could seperate, having the islands be an independent collective. It was really cool to speak with them.
Independent collective but part of a mutual defense pact with other collectives would be rad.
Little do they know, sooner or later, it's 60 provinces of Canada. :kkkanada: :liberalism:
I thought the northwestern secessionists were mostly right wingnuts but I suppose all that blue is accounted for by Californian libs
I'd argue libs in places like CA and NY have the most reason to secede. They get significantly less representation due to nature of the Senate and Electoral College, as well the fact that they contibute more the federal budget proportionally than smaller states.
Southern non-democrats are apparently the ones that want secession the most. They really hate civil rights don't they. I feel like there's a realistic scenario where southern states secede and just form an apartheid state.
A lot of Californians are deluded because they live in a huge state with a lot of capital investment and therefore rich people (worlds 8th largest economy dude!!!). They ignore the fact that California exists only because of federal investment - directly in Southern California (aerospace, Navy in SD) and indirectly via all the DoD communications and tech research that made Silicon Valley possible (plus the obvious US influence on Hollywood and the financial industry in SF).
It's similar to the delusions of Texas Big Boy Cowboys who don't realize they're only relevant because they're part of the American Empire.
Would be amazing if all these regional delusions of self-importance brought the empire down.
More likely result is that the US splits into 3 regions of
- East of the Appalachians
- West of the 100th parallel
- Everything in the middle
Most migration now is North-South, not East-West. People usually stay in their "third" (i.e. Northeast to North Carolina or Georgia or Florida, Midwest to Texas, California to Western states). The old regions aren't really relevant. Memphis has closer ties to Chicago than Charlotte, for instance. Raleigh and Atlanta are heavily tied to the Northeast and to a lesser extent Detroit and OH/western PA.
If the US splits, it will look more like the thirds above, not South vs Midwest vs West or whatever.
More likely result is that the US
Organizes the various factions into death squads that just run around killing each other for a few years before consolidating power a little further.
My colorblind ass was like "why are there two blue circles in each region?"
President Xi, my country yearns to have our thicc cheeks clapped by your firm missile.
Lol Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon are definitely not going Pacific
My guess would be:
a.) Deseret taking a chunk of south Idaho down to a bit of Arizona and Nevada and obviously Utah
b.) E. WA, E. OR, and the ID panhandle and maybe maybe inland CA
c.) Norcal up the coast in WA to the border of Canada and hell maybe even a chunk of BC
d.) I can't speak on the rest bc idk the areas as well
Disrupting each other then ! They would deserve each other :sicko-flipped:
