This is a smart recap of why Nina Turner lost from someone who was actually on the ground in Ohio. A quick recap:
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Establishment Democrats absolutely flooded Cleveland with anti-Turner content in the month leading up to the election. You couldn't look around without seeing a billboard quoting Turner saying "voting Biden is like eating half a bowl of shit." That was an effective attack because most Democratic primary voters like Biden and the Democratic Party (sadly). It wasn't impossible to overcome (Turner almost won!), but it was effective. TV and billboard ads are extremely powerful tools in electoral politics because the average voter is 55 years old and watches 5 hours of TV a day (this is not an exaggeration).
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Nina Turner ran a positive campaign, Shontel Brown saw she was down big and went negative first. Negative campaigning works. When Turner saw her internal polls collapsing she went negative, but it was too little too late.
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Turner's ground game was not very strong. They sent in the cavalry and flooded Cleveland with volunteers once the race tightened, but she needed to be doing that for months, not weeks.
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Yes, dark money sucks. But there's no invisible referee coming to save us from dark money. Part of fighting a huge, corrupt establishment is understanding that they're going to throw every dirty trick they have at you. And remember, even with the dark money, Turner had more total money than Brown.
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Jim Clyburn had nothing to do with this race. Most people in OH-11 don't know who he is. He's a power broker in South Carolina, not nationally.
the average voter is 55 years old and watches 5 hours of TV a day
The left needs to do lyin fake news media
The left needs to do lyin fake news media
We have CNN, NPR, and MSNBC sweety.
My friends truly don't understand why I have an issue paying for Hulu, when I have to pay them AND watch ads.
Not to mention in the early days of cable TV, the idea was that you paid a subscription and you didn't have to see ads.
I mean, how many hours a day do you spend on Hexbeae?
At the very least adjust the color temperature and motion settings. These boomers should at least watch too much TV the way it's meant to be watched!!
These boomers
55 is at the tail end of Boomer. We're talking about people who started voting under Ronald Reagan.
Boomer is a mindset, anyone who watches movies with the soap opera effect is a boomer.
With how TV-addicted most voters in America are, maybe the Trots are actually right for once with their insistence on starting newspapers and other media-channels
The problem is that those Trots then fill their new media outlets with maximum-level Trot ranting. The thing that makes consent manufacturing work is that it's subtle and entertaining.
I've joked about making a Cosmo-like blog that occasionally throws out a leftist themed article like "Should you withhold sex from your man till he joins a union?" but it's absolutely what we should be doing for every industry and fandom. Give the appearance of being standard schlock and occasionally onboard them into leftism.
"Why is there such a resistance to a wrestlers' union?"
"10 reasons why a game developers' union would result in better games!"
"Does a balanced Root Chakra require us to overthrow the Patriarchy?"
"We did the math on the top 10 gig apps and you won't believe how much money is being stolen from you in the name of profit!"
A baby step towards this is I used to run an obscene amount of regular joe type facebook meme pages where I randomly introduce leftist communism type memes and they would usually fly right under the radar and get the same sort of likes and shares. It's absolutely something that can work and I wholeheartedly recommend anyone to try it with their non-political passions.
Should you withhold sex from your man till he joins a union?
:yes-comm:
Why would u even want to fuck a man who has the opportunity to join a union and doesn't, eww grosso
Except it isn't run by left-wingers. They just decided to go with that type of content.
Well, as i said when i was joking around about the cosmo thing, the problem with teen vogue is that the anarchist/marxist stuff doesn't really have the same sort of vapid feel as you would expect from teen vogue or cosmo. You want to create propaganda that's indistinguishable from the regular content; leftist, but congruent with the theme and style. "Why is heartthrob Marc Ruffalo calling out police in schools?"
I’ve joked about making a Cosmo-like blog that occasionally throws out a leftist themed article
Sounds a lot like The Superficial.
Perhaps, but it's a good setup for yaas qweening various wife/mom activist groups through history.
And even a people's party would get fucked because people are easily scared by third party voters and again, the TV would just tell people to not vote for them.
I would also say that most third party leaders are cranks with huge egos and only do presidential candidate runs.
That and the size and power of the American middle class is enough to crush any working class party out there.
Eh, we’ll see. I think at some point the government and banks are gonna step into to make sure their legionaries don’t go broke.
And honestly even if they do the American people are so cucked they could be living in favelas and still Stan their fucked society.
I doubt it. Smarter heads in the financial world will realize the middle class is the only buffer between them and the rabble and will consent to passing some new deal type shit to save it. It’ll piss off all the Musk Bezos type cowboy capitalists but they’re creditors will tell them to shut it.
That or they’ll all flee to New Zealand, idk.
:matt: is right about people just voting for what the tv tells them to vote
“voting Biden is like eating half a bowl of shit.”
Where's the lie?
Also electoralism is a fuck
Democrats reluctantly eat the shit, but insist you need to finish your bowl. There are people living abroad who don't even have a bowl of shit to eat.
Republicans joyously eat the shit while complaining Democrats want to take your bowl of shit away.
I personally found Nina Turner to be likeable and charming. She seems like a swell person and her heart seems to be in the right place. It's saddening to know that the "best politician with the best policies" is not who wins. It's the one with the shadowy cabal of dark money. I think the Democratic Party believes if they become conservative enough, their false idol of capital will give them an unholy blessing from the accursed ghost of Ronald Reagan. They will hinder even the smallest forms of progress.
The Democrat personality is one of solemn martyrdom. You are the only one who understands how these complicated issues. You are the only one who is willing to follow procedure even when it is hard. You are the only one who is both kind and intelligent, neither falling to base tribalism nor to cold rational disinterest. You are a servant of the people, doomed to continue on ringing the bell. It is a sacrifice you make because it is the right thing to do
Not the first time the establishment Dems punch left, won't be the last time.
https://theintercept.com/2021/03/08/nevada-democratic-party-dsa/
Even when you play by their rules and win, they still find a way to stab leftward.
The TLDR is Nina Turner LOST even though she had MORE money $$
It’s time to admit the country is not as left as you think LOL
I'm not sure that's actually true. I think that might not count outside spenders like Democratic Majority for Israel.
Original comment has a very good take, IMO.
While dark money is a problem that hurts the left, I really want more leftists to acknowledge the reality that the US is a super reactionary place and the biggest problem socialists have is that most people don't agree with us. It's our job to persuade the masses, not to delude ourselves into thinking the masses are already there.
I think the "most people are socialists, they just don't know it yet" line can sound persuasive because it was true of everybody here at some point, but the fact is most people are not socialists and express the fact that they are not socialists every election day.
Hard to say what that outside spending looks like unless you are in that advertising region and watch 5 hours of TV a day though.
It is. Even if you count the DMFI money, Turner had more. Nina Turner is an extremely strong fundraiser and had access to Bernie’s email list, which is probably the most powerful fundraising tool in Democratic politics short of Bloomberg’s bank account number.
Yeah you're right. It looks like it was over $5 million for Turner and $2.5 million or something like that for Brown.
the average voter is 55 years old and watches 5 hours of TV a day
your conclusion after reading this is that "the country" was represented here?
The demographics of the country are closer to that than you think. The average American adult is in their early 50s and watches a lot of TV.
I think the fact that Nina had more unique contributors to her campaign committee than Shontel Brown shows leftists are more numerous and more motivated than you say. You can look at the data here. Why that doesn't translate into more votes is troubling.
why that doesn’t translate into more votes is troubling
Let me know when you figure out it’s because the country is not as left as you want it to be
Is this account a bit or are you a weak troll the admins keep around for a punching bag?
in a country where no one has any idea what left and right look like politically what does that even mean?
A progressive candidate having a lot of individual donations isn’t enough to conclude that the US has a large, motivated left.
I just don’t want to see the Bernie thing again where people take a (barely) left-ish candidate doing (a little) well then draw a bunch of electoralist cope out of it.
Goodbye, somebody!
Edit: this person also gives credit to Cori Bush for getting the eviction moratorium extended. I’m not sure I trust their judgment.
While the credit should of course go to the activists on the ground, we can also admit that if they didn't have someone in power like Cori Bush advocating for them the people in power would not have listened.
Most actions taken by the unhoused get met by police, not an eviction ban. Having people on both the inside and outside was the difference.
I follow the logic, I just don’t share it. I think it’s giving too much credit to Cori Bush for what is ultimately a very minor concession.
Like they were obligated to do something, and the thing they did was just a winnowing down of existing eviction protections. I can’t get excited about that, nor can I give people credit for scraping out a worse deal than we already had.
Agree to disagree. Although the ruling class hates us, letting millions of us get evicted all at once is a bridge too far, even for them imo.
I feel like they know a mass wave of evictions could be a flash point. So instead, they just slowly evict people in waves.
It just strikes me as naive. Like, it has all the optics of helping, but it doesn’t actually help. If a person didn’t know anything about how power works, this would be their theory of change.
Edit: did the eviction moratorium even get extended yet? Aren’t they planning to extend it in such a way that it only helps 90% of the people it was helping previously, after allowing a lapse that will let people get kicked out of their homes?
I read somewhere also that Nina Turner actually had a large warchest, but never countered with her own TV ad-buys in the tailend of the campaign.
She had her own ads, but they were nothing compared to the Democratic PACs and they weren’t crazy attack ads
I think what happened was the left made a token effort at securing a meaningless seat. Like a dog chasing cars, there was no actual plan for what was supposed to happen if she won. Since leftist don't vote as a block it was arguably impossible to make a plan. Without any tangible stakes there was nothing to offer the public who largely didn't bother voting at all.
Yeah people feel demoralized at the idea of sending one person to the squad every 4 years and the needle never moving at all
