What the fuck :yea:

    • Vncredleader
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      3 years ago

      DPRK has subs, including their own class iirc. They helped Cuba build the Delfin actually

        • fuckwit [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          You can ask any Cuban if they think China has been a driving force for Communism or if they'd rather just have the USSR back.

          • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            thats two different stances. and socialism in one country has been a thing for what 80 years now? but why dismiss chinese overtures in cuba like this?

            • fuckwit [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              more like state capitalism in one country at the expense of communism in another but I digress

              why dismiss chinese overtures in cuba like this?

              When fucking Spain nearly overtakes China as your second largest trading partner, China is, at best, a neutral connection. China doesn't give a fuck about ideology, and because China sees little use for Cuba, economically speaking, to even suggest China is some great friend to Cuba is fanciful crap. Cuba might as well be Java to China.

              • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                ifc. if your a phillippine guerilla cultist just say it upfront and dont waste my time

                https://thediplomat.com/2021/08/how-china-helps-the-cuban-regime-stay-afloat-and-shut-down-protests/

              • vccx [they/them]
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                3 years ago

                Spain (and the former Soviet Union for that matter) are literally multiple continents closer to Cuba than China is. Does China use the Suez and Panama canals to trade with Cuba or does China-Cuba trade have to route around the whole Eurasian supercontinent and/or around South America?

                91% of all DPRK trade is with China. To me it looks like Cuba-China shipping routes would be the longest in the world, especially if shipments can't go through Panama or Suez without seizure.

        • Rojo27 [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Yeah, I'm sure there's more. China just isn't going to do much for Cuba in so far as the military for obvious reasons.

          • vccx [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            China is literally the furthest country away from Cuba in terms of sea and air lanes. Cuba-bound shipments would have to go through the Suez and Panama canals. Those would be incredibly long supply lines (if not the longest) especially without canal access. Very bad for a military alliance.

            Choke points on every direction, West (Suez, South Africa-Antarctica), East (Panama, South America-Antarctica), and even North (Canada, Eastern United States, AMERICOM).

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    • fuckwit [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      right, i doubt CIA needed to do much to work fucking Australia, of all places

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  • newmou [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    What even is their consent manufacturing line on “combating China”? Sure media say authoritarian China bad but it doesn’t seem like the State department/Pentagon/Biden are saying China needs to be fought because of some bogus humanitarian grounds. Are they saying China is what, like, strutting in international waters? Like if a reporter asked Jen Psaki or whatever “Why are we building international military consensus on ‘combating’ China?” what would she say? Straight up Cold War style “containing communism”? I feel like that doesn’t even make sense for them to say in this current political reality

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    • snott_morrison [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      I'm genuinely trending towards it being just a massive grift for military contractors. There's literally no good reason for the US to go to war with China, but the ever creeping "threat" of war justifies a never ending bonanza of public spending on weapons. Australia might be stupid enough to go along with war because we're such racist jigonistic shitbags, although there's plenty of military grifting happening there as well.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      The propaganda I see them putting out consistently that China is engaging in an international scheme to takeover global governments via their "united front" work. The BBC recently put out a horrificly dangerous sinophobic documentary called " China's magic weapon " that basically claimed all Chinese people abroad are in on it. Students too.

      It is horrific. Serious warning. It will make you really really fucking angry if you watch it.

    • naom3 [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      I think it might not be any different from their actual reason: a rising china represents a threat to us hegemony and dominance. Remember it’s basically unquestioned amongst a lot of americans that the us is a force for good and that, although the execution or efficacy of us interventions may be called into question, never the righteousness of the us’ dominant position. If china threatens that then there may be debate about the appropriate response, but not about weather they need to be stopped.

  • sandinista209 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I sure do feel safer under Joe than that big meanie orange man :agony-wholesome:

  • Glass [he/him,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Hawkish US regime provides nuclear arms to country with checkered human rights record as part of a continued escalation of tensions near Chinese waters

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        Silk and Steel did a couple of episodes on the absurdity of Australia bulking up its military to protect itself from China, its largest business partner.

  • BruceWillis [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    australians are so fucking dumb they'll never figure out how to actually drive the subs. :aus-delenda-est:

  • FarSeerFirelord [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Yawn. Oh, Australia is a vassal of the US? Like we didn't know that already. Shit like this is just new material for the usual hawks to jerk off to in their articles.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Doing WW3 will stop China's growth in the same way WW2 stopped growth across Europe and the South Pacific.

      It'll also probably kneecap America's growth. But we've already tanked our domestic industry so who cares?!

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Nothing highlights US hyprocisy better than our nuclear missile policy.

  • notaleph [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    The war machine pivoted even before they left afghanistan

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-30/defence-chief-hawaii-talks-china-during-afghan-evacuation/100417278

    • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      I mean, the alternative propulsion method to nuclear propulsion is diesel, so yes, actually. Having said that, no sub at all is the preferable alternative.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Australia: We must protect our trade with China from the Chinese!