“I wanted to write a story that was an allegory or fable about modern capitalist society, something that depicts an extreme competition, somewhat like the extreme competition of life. But I wanted it to use the kind of characters we’ve all met in real life,”
lmao the director of Squid Games comes out and says it's about capitalism and liberals still say it's not about capitalism
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Thesis: I'm the director, and it's about capitalism.
Antithesis: We, the audience, disagree.
Synthesis: Death of the author says we gotta kill that sonofabitch!
Dickensian stories where the rich guy always swoops in as a benefactor really spoiled the liberals good when it came to any sort of class discussion coming from popular media.
Oliver Twist and A Christmas Carol being the worse of it.
On a positive note for Dickens though he did once beat a politician who said children working in a sweatshop was good for them with a cane
Too bad we have shitty sports like baseball and football when beating capitalist ghouls with a cane would bring in so many more viewers.
On the Squid Game subreddit I saw a bunch of comments saying it was about criticizing the poor for their choices, because the only reason people are playing the game is due to some personal failing and that to fix their situation they need to work hard and out-compete everyone else.
It doesn't matter how overt a message is, people can still twist it to fit their own worldviews if they want no matter the mental gymnastics required to do so.
criticizing the poor for their choices
how do you debunk this stupid ass shit without spouting a bunch of statistics? i get into fights with family members (we're all poor btw) about this shit ALL the fucking time and it's so fucking stupid to me because even a shallow analysis is like "yes, like nearly all 8 billion people on the planet minus the United States magically just chose to be poor because it's fun"
like my older brothers conception of this is that all poor people are poor because they chose to party lmao
like he makes fun of people in my extended family because they are all "failures" and fails to see any connection between coming from a family of really uneducated low income people who can't even speak English half the time and "failure"
also hurls abuse at my dad (who hopped over the fucking border at 16 lmao) for being a "loser who chose to party and have kids instead of going to university and getting ahead"
nope just want to party
The rich literally got together to watch people kill each other. The games were their party.
but if you have to out compete everyone else then what happens to the people you out competed
You can kinda take away that message up to about halfway through the show, imo. I think they set it up so that you could think of it that way, purposefully, so that they could take that way of thinking to its logical extreme and challenge it.
They made the main character have a gambling problem so I guess I can kind of see it. However, later on in the show one of the rich VIPs also clearly has a gambling problem and it didn't make him poor.
they did then establish that his life used to be in order until the company laid everybody off and then he watched his friend be killed by the police in front of him
I don't think the show ever really clearly says whether or not the protagonist is responsible for his own position, and I think it kind of works better that way. Like if he's totally blameless then ok he passed the means testing and he's one of the good poors and so it's a shame that he got lumped in with the bad poors who deserve what they get. Instead, they de-emphasize his past and present some flaws as if to say, "If you want to say he's poor and desperate because of his own choices, then go ahead. That's not the point."
I think to say that the message of the show is, "Capitalism screws people over so hard that they would accept these games" would be a surface level understanding. I mean, one of the characters (Ji-yeong) tells a story where she killed her abusive father after he killed her mother, and she's pretty much just participating in the games because she didn't really know where else to go, which isn't directly connected to capitalism. Also the show never really suggests like social programs or any other solution, and many of the protagonists' problems come from criminals and his relationship with his ex-wife and her husband, and while money is the driving force behind those problems, those figures aren't really representatives of capitalism. Besides, the show is about the games, the world at large exists primarily as a backdrop to the games. If the message was what I said at the start of the paragraph, the show should've been primarily about the world and how it screws the characters, and it would be enough to just communicate that the games are a bad time (if they were included at all).
What the show is really getting at is critiquing the idea of "making it big," having a sigma grindset and putting yourself through hell, maybe you have to screw people over along the way, but at the end of the day you'll have everything you wanted and you'll be able to help out your friends and family and everyone will love you and nobody will be able to push you around, and it'll be awesome.
Here are some examples of how the show criticizes this idea:
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Gi-hun's before-and-after images
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Gi-hun's mother dying alone while he's in the games
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Gi-hun trying to stop the game right when he's about to win, and clearly regretting the whole thing
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Gi-hun not touching his winnings and basically reverting to his old lifestyle
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Sang-woo, who embodies the cold logic of the rat race more than anyone, killing himself
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The increasingly reprehensible actions of the characters. At first they just have to stand by while others die. Then there's the tug-of-war where they kill others, but they're also pulling for their own survival. Then they have to exploit the vulnerabilities of their closest friends. By the bridge game, they're killing each other on their own initiative.
The fundamental problem with this idea of doing something awful every day in hopes that someday you'll be able to be a better son to your mother, a better father to your daughter, etc, is that it's fundamentally not how people work. As the saying goes, "Life is what happens while you're making other plans." We are creatures of habit, and if you're doing awful stuff all the time it has an effect on you, in addition to the world around you.
The only answer that the show provides for what should have happened instead is provided by what Gi-hun does at the end, reverting to his old lifestyle. It would've been tragic and heartrending if his mother died because they weren't able to afford basic medial care, but he could've helped her as best he could, and at least be there with her in her final moments. As hard as his life was, he was still human, and he was still someone who was able to smile. It's not really clear how he would've dealt with the criminals who were talking about stealing his kidney, but that's kind of the thing, it's supposed to be a desperate situation where any alternative is preferable, but then the show says, "But even so, participating in the games was the wrong choice."
tl;dr: Stop pretending you're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, and instead accept reality and try to make the best of a bad situation.
I think it's fair to criticize the show for not offering a better alternative or suggesting how society might be changed for the better, but as the title of the article says, it's supposed to be a story about capitalism, not about socialism.
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The show is really good. I feel the ending was a bit lib but the first half atleast was really solid from a class analysis pov.
If it's an allegory for capitalism, it's sort of fits that
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One guy succeeds while literally everyone else dies, and he also ends up looking like a goof-ass clown because he's bored with his life
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Everyone dies. The game still goes on for the pleasure of billionaires at the expense of more desperate people. And becuase the guy who won was kinda good-hearted, he ends up with ptsd, survivals guilt, heavily depressed etc.
The soldiers too. You can be spared the horrors or having to compete at the cost of losing your humanity and becoming a soulless automaton. One step out of line and you're also disposable.
Where as the cop’s brother represents the bootlickers who are enthusiastic about crushing everyone and reaching the top.
My read of him was that he went back to the games because it was all he knew at that point. I see him more as a tragic character who didn't feel like he could go back to living a normal life after experiencing the games, when no one else would be able to relate or even believe him. At least this way he can confirm that his trauma was real. But the show doesn't really say that so painting him like that might be too generous.
yeah i can relate to being forced to go competitively pantomime something I used to enjoy under the threat of death (poverty) if I fail. highly allegorical
The sequel bait was kinda silly at the end of it. What would the next one even be about lol.
Yeah like that's what I want to see but it wouldn't be very interesting if there were no stakes. Main character still has to be an underdog.
I mean, he's just an unemployed factory worker with 20 million dollars, and he's facing a conspiracy of hyper violent hedonistic billionaires.
It'd be hard for him to not be the underdog, unless he gets some kind of super powers or something similarly silly happens.
I mean, it could be about revolution. They kinda set it up for something like that at the end when he turned around to presumably go fight the system
I could see a series that's more detective-style going after the rich people who run it or whatever, but it wouldn't be metaphorical in the same way. Unless maybe he decides to simply rejoin the game but uses it to do a squid-revolution. But Squid Game is mainly interesting because it's a novel premise like battle royale or whatever. Would have to lose all his money or something to make it interesting though.
I’ve never seen a show fuck up an ending so close to the end.
That final episode just had so many points where it could have stopped, and it just… kept going, with more and more bizarre choices.
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It could have stopped with him seeing the money in his account, if you want sorta happy, hollow endings.
It could have stopped with him clutching his dead mother.
It could have stopped with him staring into the river drinking soju.
It could have stopped with his meeting with 001 being a dying fever dream, with him being the guy freezing to death outside.
It could have stopped with him seeing the recruiter train away.
It could have stopped with him getting on the plane.
It felt like they had half a dozen endings, couldn’t pick which one they wanted, and strung all of them together in sequence.
I’m also really not a fan of the old man twist—by that point in the show, ‘who’s behind it’ wasn’t a dramatic question. We already knew: it was rich assholes. Adding the old man to the mix for a shock twist was entirely unnecessary, and undercut the impact of his character.
Similarly, the protagonist’s dye job and sudden desire to stop the game being played came at the last second, and was blatant sequel bait.
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i only finished it yesterday, so I'm a bit late but I think
It could have stopped with his meeting with 001 being a dying fever dream, with him being the guy freezing to death outside.
would have been a fantastic ending. but I do really agree that showing 001 was BEHIND it ALL was really not meaningful or helpful in any way. It just added more questions that you don't really care enough to answer imo.
I remain convinced that was one of the potential endings that got cut to make it more palatable to studio execs.
