Imagine a world where Trump wins the electoral college but gets less than 30% of the popular vote because the liberal states took him off the ballot.
you really almost dont even need to try all that hard to imagine that happening, either.
I think the Supreme Court is gonna come down on the side of not letting states determine who gets put on the ballot. It’s way too destabilizing (in a “bad for capital” kind of way) because once you open that door every state with a trifecta in state govt is gonna remove the opposing presidential candidate, guaranteed. Well, the GOP will at least.
I have theories based on shitty premises:
Worst thing that could happen - supreme court allows it, leftists put people in a state government and the fucking gestapo comes in and goes really mask off with the crumbling democracy
Therefore the funniest thing that could happen - libs respond to gestapo singing Hamilton songs. It causes the supreme court to change their mind but not before all the leftists close to power are ousted
I think the most likely thing the US supreme Court will say is:
Ah, not so fast, he wasn't convicted. And yeah not everyone in the civil war was convicted but this is the most important guy. You can only do this to presidents who have been convicted. We're even being fair, you see, because Florida or whoever has to put Biden back on the ballot!
the Supreme Court is gonna come down
Surely the STATES RIGHTS gutterremoved will shriek about this being an authoritarian Big Government move, right? Because they're always on about small government... right?
The body that decides when the scotus has jurisdiction is scotus. If the states choose to disobey a scotus ruling then either Biden sends in the army to enforce it OR red states simply don’t list Dems and blue states simply don’t list GOP and we wind up with an Avignon president.
Trump gearing up to be elected second president of the Confederate States.
Character idea: guy who doesn't care about politics but goes vote for Trump to 'set things right.'
this isn't even a character, this is going to be half of the voters in 2024
"I don't like Trump, but it's not right what they're doing to him"
At least it'll be funny watching Biden lose to the only man less fit for the job.
I know biden is more fit because I have seen him on a bike, doesn't Trump believe exercise wastes your orgone energy ir something so you die sooner?
Bit idea: guy who cares deeply about who is fit for the office of POTUS, but takes it to literally mean physical fitness.
This guy may or may not have violated his Volcel pledge in his shorts when Biden challenged Trump to a push-up contest during the 2020 debates.
I really really want to see some third party seriously take on Biden in states without Trump on the ballot. It would be hilarious if they manage to win a state and fuck up the electoral college, leaving no winner.
MFW the closest thing there is to a relevant third party are the fucking libertarians, who are just republicans who haven't read The Turner Diaries yet.
Libertarians are at least closer to us than the other parties. I was raised by a conspiracy libertarian, and while I don't even talk to my Dad anymore, I can firmly say that the values he distilled in me as a child are what made me a communist. He was more critical over American intervention than anybody else I've ever met, he was the first person I saw critically support the national self determination of the Taliban. He was even better on China than most people in the States, constantly asking if I actually believed the bullshit on the TV. He was overall anti-China, but knew way more about the nation than I've heard from any other westerner, including calling the Black Book bullshit while criticizing China. If I talked him into it, he'd even be able to admit that Mao was a net good for China as a nation.
I'm probably wrong large scale, but I feel like I've seen a certain earnest conviction amongst American libertarians. As if they have decent values at heart, but have given into capitalist brainworms. I've shown many libertarians Marx, because Marx is just spitting straight facts in the first two volumes of Kapital, there's barely even an emotional argument there it's just pure facts. Usually have to synthesize what he's saying, but they usually agree with Marx's criticisms after having it translated.
In America, Libertarians are the most valuable people to convert. They're already leaving America's party system, and consider both parties to be controlled opposition. All you have to do is shift their window with Marx (or Lenin, depends on the person) and they will shift.
Libertarians in my (somewhat significant) experience are an even mix of:
- Republicans who are embarassed by reactionary social positions, but who reliably support Republicans because they don't really care about social issues that don't immediately affect them.
- People who would be libs if they grew up in a blue state, but they grew up in a red state so they would be embarrassed to be Democrats (and by virtue of being on the outside share many leftist critiques of Democrats).
- Hardcore reactionaries who only want to put a better gloss on "tear down the state so I can hurt and exploit whoever I want."
- Cranks.
Group 2 can be brought around with a little effort, and maybe a sliver of Group 1 with a lot more effort, but there's a lot of people who are basically lost causes.
no electoral winner means congress decides who the president is. It's happened before. It's how Andrew Jackson got elected.
John Quincy Adams won that election, despite Jackson getting more EC votes and a higher popular vote. Jackson then won the next election normally.
But that election didn’t even have a second party candidate. All four candidates were from the same party. So a third party candidate causing a contingent election would still be a big deal. And it would just be funny.
I also imagine a possible scenario where the third party candidate tells their EC voters to vote for Biden or Trump as faithless electors, with some sort of concessions, potentially even the Vice Presidency.
I think it would be wild to see something other than blue and red on the election maps. A random spot of yellow would have me howling with laughter. But also, given how some software works, I imagine a temp trying to plug in another color and bricking the whole system.
Wait this is one that could actually matter right? Trump would never in a million years win Colorado but I can see a world in which he could win Maine.
Is this how American "Democracy" dies? By states just throwing a viable candidate off the ballot? That's...not how I would have guessed.
what could possibly go wrong if you massively motivate Trump's base to vote by feeding their aggrievement while your own candidate is historically unpopular?
No no no, they will finally come to their senses and vote for the other genocidal war criminal.
idiot Americans don't understand that the economy is actually doing incredibly and Biden is the genocide-reduction candidate
The real joke is the US tearing itself apart because one half can't vote for their genocidal, war crime partaking, racist, septuagenarian, capitalist bootlicker and instead have to watch the genocidal, war crime partaking, racist, octogenarian, capitalist bootlicker 'win'
Weren't the 2022 midterms an unexpectedly poor turnout for the Republicans as so many of them bought into the "stolen election" bit? Isn't this just going to further reinforce their beliefs that the elections are all rigged?
Would be deeply funny to watch all the chuds stay home and the Dems get a trifecta in every state and the federal election, only for the DNC to contest all their own victories out of "fairness" or some shit.
Not necessarily a ton of votes are by clueless people who decide based on what fast food they had on their way to the polling booth. If he's not on the ballot he would lose those people. Note that I support these people's voting habits as it is more class conscious than being an ideological dem or rep. The actually motivated Trump voting base is surprisingly small compared to how the lib media presents it, that's one of the reasons the Republicans keep getting shallaked on state abortion votes.
Trump's base has been notoriously underperforming since the very beginning, even when he won. The 2022 midterms usually give an advantage to the opposition party, and that didn't quite happen.
It's turning out people are voting closer to more cogent political demands, mostly regarding taxes, abortion access, property, etc. Candidates who focus on more abstract, cultural grievances tend to perform poorly. Culture war stuff that gets put on a referendum tends to give a victory to the progressive side. I can't imagine the average chuds will want to vote even harder if Trump's off the ballot in some states. They're fickle and will vote for whoever else Republicans run, if they run someone else.
At best maybe they'll organize another stupid riot at the capital, achieve nothing, then go home. Maybe we'll see more mass shooters. Who knows. But in terms of voting, I just can't see the motivation coming from legal disputes or stuff disconnected from average people
Rs have been taking loss after loss for the last six years, the abortion and trans kulture kamf and the rigged election conspiracies are proven loser shit, and yet the online "left" is still flinching over 2016 and mueller. it's wild, total lib-derangement-syndrome.
ya, trump voters were not going to come out, but this is going to push them over the edge lol
2020 me (ironically): “the election was stolen”
2024 me (unironically): “the election was stolen”every year, me (unironically): "the election was stolen by capital"
Every time I say this to liberals or trumpets I start off slow by saying 'the election was stolen' part and then seeing their cringe or glee and then I start going on about how their votes are basically meaningless because theyre not billionaire campaign donors.
Weirdly its mostly the trumpets that agree with the second part.
Super Tuesday in 2020 made me realize the Dems treat the process of electing a leader like McDonald's does a build-a-burger contest. So people could feel profoundly that Bernie Sanders is correct, but the manager in charge of the burger contest isn't really going to start giving people "bag of lettuce and mayonnaise," so they'll just tinker with the process so it doesn't get the most votes.
Boaty McBoatface tier fuckery. "Oh, you want healthcare, wages, and doing something about the fascists killing you in the street? Nah, you actually voted for genocide and union busting, but we'll co-opt your ironic meme in one picture on our website and wear a Kente cloth in the single most out of touch meaningless statement of all time."
something something closing in.
These MFs really want Trump to be even more of a martyr?
I can't blame them for this one. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. Moving on like nothing happened wouldn't work either.
a healthy state just lets facially non-democratic actors attempt to unconstitutionally seize power, and trump would just go away if the liberals ignored him, actually
Honestly i would actually respect the democrats if they sacked up and banned him from running. They won't because they are a bunch of disorganized neurotic pmc wusses.
Trump is the biggest danger to our democracy, institutions, minorities, environment, and prestige since Mecha Hitler. This is why we, the Democrats, will do sweet fuckall to actually, meaningfully oppose him.
Maine has two electoral districts and one voted went for Trump in the last two electionsColorado was meaningless. Now they're about to be mad lmao. Hahaha
Liberals cheering this on don't understand the backlash and repercussions it will cause.
By virtue of how they're unable to analyze the world outside of dichotomies ofc they can't trace cause and effect properly and will be forever baffled by how they push the things they supposedly fear into guaranteed frutition.
You're just doing that thing libs do where you can't do anything because it'll make the chuds mad, but about the libs now. Who fucking cares if they'll be pissed. They can't actually do worse than they're already doing
They can't actually do worse than they're already doing
Here the thing, I think they can, just up till now they didn't think they needed to with how badly Biden is polling, so they didn't push their luck. Now the Libs are actually showing some gonads they may shift to 100% "don't give a fuck" mode.
They've already brazenly stolen the supreme court, they stole an election within living memory, they tried a coup (shittily), they've banned abortion, they're banning books, they're making it illegal to be trans, they're sending threats to anyone to the left of Marjorie Taylor Greene, they've shut down the government multiple times and they're openly discussing how to best disenfranchise as many people as possible. What exactly do you think they will do that they're not already doing?
They've already brazenly stolen the supreme court
They did that via completely legal and by the books means, thanks to the incompetence of democrats.
they stole an election within living memory
How was it "stolen" exactly? Yes the EC is bullshit but it is the law of the land, again it was an evil move but totally above board legally.
they tried a coup (shittily)
Yes, but I think more emphasis should be put on shittily here. I think it wasn't very well coordinated, it was probably half spontaneous, with some of the stupider Republicans going along once the ball had started rolling. Still an insurrection attempt but it's hard to stick concrete charges on them because of how half-assedly they did it.
they're banning books, they're making it illegal to be trans, they're sending threats to anyone to the left of Marjorie Taylor Greene, they've shut down the government multiple times and they're openly discussing how to best disenfranchise as many people as possible.
Again, these are all still things they are within their legal right to due within the framework of US law.\
What exactly do you think they will do that they're not already doing?
Actual illegal shit, like attempting succession, deploying the National Guard to polling centers to obstruct people from voting for Biden, arresting DNC politicians at the state level, barring Biden and his staff from traveling within their borders.
Well that one's more debatable, but still, most of the evil shit the GOP has done was either totally legal or existed in a legal gray zone. There are some lines they have yet to cross.
If they were going to start a civil war over the democrats engaging in any kind of chicanery, then the civil war is inevitable. This objection is pointless.
None of it was "by the books". It was flagrant and obvious abuse of the system and circumvention of the law, and in case of the 2000 stolen election, an outright stolen government. They're already breaking the laws and the rules when it suits them, they openly celebrates murderers, insurrectionists and terrorists when they're on their side. If the democrats answering back at all will result in them picking up guns, then they were always going to do that. But they're not going to fucking do that. My god man, they're the comfortable ones, they sit on massive disproportionate institutional power and none of the movers and shakers of the republican party has any interest in a violent conflict.
None of it was "by the books". It was flagrant and obvious abuse of the system and circumvention of the law, and in case of the 2000 stolen election, an outright stolen government. They're already breaking the laws and the rules when it suits them, they openly celebrates murderers, insurrectionists and terrorists when they're on their side.
No offense but this sounds like a bit of a lib take. I agree the current GOP is fucking evil but this makes them sound like a new and unique evil, which they really aren't. None of this is new, and none of it is anything "beneath" the DNC.
If the democrats answering back at all will result in them picking up guns, then they were always going to do that. But they're not going to fucking do that. My god man, they're the comfortable ones
I think they've always been willing to do it, whether or not they actually do depends.
none of the movers and shakers of the republican party has any interest in a violent conflict.
I agree outright civil war is very unlikely, but I see other routes, particularly a "soft balkanization", as in states increasingly giving less and less of a shit about Washington. Heck I'd say we're already on that path. Thing is that's a two way street, if Biden wins I suspect the Red states to start ignoring DC and if Trump wins the Blues will likely do the same. Maybe it's inevitable but I think what Colorado and Maine are trying to do may be accelerating the process.
Offense absolutely taken. Calling anyone else a lib after taking the position that nothing can be done because it'll piss off the republicans is absolutely ludicrous. They're literally always mad, there's nothing you can do that won't piss them off. That's the lib excuse for not doing anything ffs. They shut down the government because they claimed it was unfair to hold a vote while they were in the minority ffs, and the libs responded by giving them concessions and your rhetoric is that this was actually reasonable.
The backlash from the forces of reaction if this goes through are not going to be good.
I don't think chuds are motivated by actual political concerns. It's always either a soccer game spectacle, or it's like in 2012 when oil billionaires created the Tea Party. Conservatives are mad permanently and there's no appeasing them.
I'm cheering it on because of the backlash and repercussions it will cause
