The body that decides when the scotus has jurisdiction is scotus. If the states choose to disobey a scotus ruling then either Biden sends in the army to enforce it OR red states simply don’t list Dems and blue states simply don’t list GOP and we wind up with an Avignon president.

At least it'll be funny watching Biden lose to the only man less fit for the job.

Libertarians are at least closer to us than the other parties. I was raised by a conspiracy libertarian, and while I don't even talk to my Dad anymore, I can firmly say that the values he distilled in me as a child are what made me a communist. He was more critical over American intervention than anybody else I've ever met, he was the first person I saw critically support the national self determination of the Taliban. He was even better on China than most people in the States, constantly asking if I actually believed the bullshit on the TV. He was overall anti-China, but knew way more about the nation than I've heard from any other westerner, including calling the Black Book bullshit while criticizing China. If I talked him into it, he'd even be able to admit that Mao was a net good for China as a nation.

I'm probably wrong large scale, but I feel like I've seen a certain earnest conviction amongst American libertarians. As if they have decent values at heart, but have given into capitalist brainworms. I've shown many libertarians Marx, because Marx is just spitting straight facts in the first two volumes of Kapital, there's barely even an emotional argument there it's just pure facts. Usually have to synthesize what he's saying, but they usually agree with Marx's criticisms after having it translated.

In America, Libertarians are the most valuable people to convert. They're already leaving America's party system, and consider both parties to be controlled opposition. All you have to do is shift their window with Marx (or Lenin, depends on the person) and they will shift.

John Quincy Adams won that election, despite Jackson getting more EC votes and a higher popular vote. Jackson then won the next election normally.

But that election didn’t even have a second party candidate. All four candidates were from the same party. So a third party candidate causing a contingent election would still be a big deal. And it would just be funny.

I also imagine a possible scenario where the third party candidate tells their EC voters to vote for Biden or Trump as faithless electors, with some sort of concessions, potentially even the Vice Presidency.

No no no, they will finally come to their senses and vote for the other genocidal war criminal.

Weren't the 2022 midterms an unexpectedly poor turnout for the Republicans as so many of them bought into the "stolen election" bit? Isn't this just going to further reinforce their beliefs that the elections are all rigged?

Not necessarily a ton of votes are by clueless people who decide based on what fast food they had on their way to the polling booth. If he's not on the ballot he would lose those people. Note that I support these people's voting habits as it is more class conscious than being an ideological dem or rep. The actually motivated Trump voting base is surprisingly small compared to how the lib media presents it, that's one of the reasons the Republicans keep getting shallaked on state abortion votes.

Trump's base has been notoriously underperforming since the very beginning, even when he won. The 2022 midterms usually give an advantage to the opposition party, and that didn't quite happen.

It's turning out people are voting closer to more cogent political demands, mostly regarding taxes, abortion access, property, etc. Candidates who focus on more abstract, cultural grievances tend to perform poorly. Culture war stuff that gets put on a referendum tends to give a victory to the progressive side. I can't imagine the average chuds will want to vote even harder if Trump's off the ballot in some states. They're fickle and will vote for whoever else Republicans run, if they run someone else.

At best maybe they'll organize another stupid riot at the capital, achieve nothing, then go home. Maybe we'll see more mass shooters. Who knows. But in terms of voting, I just can't see the motivation coming from legal disputes or stuff disconnected from average people

ya, trump voters were not going to come out, but this is going to push them over the edge lol

Every time I say this to liberals or trumpets I start off slow by saying 'the election was stolen' part and then seeing their cringe or glee and then I start going on about how their votes are basically meaningless because theyre not billionaire campaign donors.

Weirdly its mostly the trumpets that agree with the second part.

Boaty McBoatface tier fuckery. "Oh, you want healthcare, wages, and doing something about the fascists killing you in the street? Nah, you actually voted for genocide and union busting, but we'll co-opt your ironic meme in one picture on our website and wear a Kente cloth in the single most out of touch meaningless statement of all time."

Ah, a roulette player.