Ya'll are honestly way too irony poisoned here. There's really no winner or humor in this on any side. Blame the scab armorer for failing to prevent any of the steps and failures that led to this but it's an outright tragedy.
I would add "accidentally". Srsly I thought since Brandon lee they sorted out that whole prop gun scene gone wrong thing. Guess not
They mostly have, but the armorer on this set wasn't a union guy, so he could have been any yahoo with prop guns.
So this guy had no training from the IATSE or prop maker's union.
We need to start building lists of scab incidents where people get injured and/or die.
One of my favorite relatives was a chemical engineer from the 60's till the 90's and one time when the chemical worker's union striked the company tried hiring scabs, and they told him he needed to go down there and help train them. Not wanting to die in a horrible chemical fire he told upper management to go fuck themselves, no one in his department would go inside a chemical plant run by scabs he said, and he refused to answer the phone. They folded shortly thereafter.
That's why now they just make the engineers be the scabs instead of training scabs.
industrial capital can never learn from its mistakes when there's a bottom line to protect
If it keeps generating profit it doesn’t need to be handled as a mistake :porky-happy:
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edit: this movie's gonna gross so much more than it would have otherwise, isn't it?
"we decided to leave in the shot where that fateful accident occurred to honor the life of halyna and the work that she put into this film"
i dont see this movie being continued in all honesty
possibly, but hollywood also loves a "show must go on" story
I mean narcos stopped filming because someone was killed location scouting or something like that. Although that was pre production so the sunk cost wasn't as looming.
Might not have been a real prop gun even. I've heard of stage accidents from people with people who don't get that a blank charge is actually a two feet long plasma lance.
When the gun goes bang it still throws out a bunch of very hot, very fast gas along with anything in the barrel (debris etc) that can still kill you if you’re close.
It's a Shelly Poem, about a traveller encountering a single broken statue in a desert with the phrase "Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair" written on it. The idea being the arrogance of man is wiped away by time.
I am comparing the above comic of a monument to that, except the chuds were all forgotten inside 4 years.
I could wrong, but I am relatively certain that is not an accurate description of how a gun loaded with a blank fires.
Sorry, thought this was a question about another thread. Check your thread responses people
They did this in the movie "in bruges". The main guy grabs another dudes gun and they're like "jokes on you, they're blanks, so the main guy puts it up to the guys eye and fires.
yeah seriously, given the huge budget these hollywood movies get, you'd think they have prop guns that can make flashes instead of using gun powder and "dummy" bullets. Heck they could just have the actors go pew pew and add all the flashes with CG afterwards.
some movies do have the actors mime and add the muzzle flashes in later but then you get the "muh authenticity" weirdos who complain that the fake recoil doesn't look realistic enough.
love too put the cast and crew in danger to please the .1 percent of the audience that would notice fake recoil
Squibs have everything to do with makeup and nothing to do with the prop gun and blanks. You could have super fake shitty guns and good looking impact effects. However, the dry boys have also complained in the past about fake looking guns and recoi effects in movies. So what the fuck, you can have this one.
Recoil effects can also be blamed on the actor. If you need a real kick and can't fake one then fucking never have a death scene.
They make gas operated airsoft guns with realistic enough recoil. You don't need to actually fire a blank. Hollywood could come up with something both safe and good looking but that's not cost effective
There's no chance Matt hasn't said it'd be worth a couple of Brandon Lee's for some squibs lol
It does look like crap but there is absolutely no reason they couldn't make safe prop guns. I cannot overstate how little this would matter for the average film budget and it's an investment in your employees not dying and the costs involved in all that cause you can KEEP THOSE PROP GUNS and use them in subsequent movies. Just make it something that can be installed in a real gun easily. As I posted above, I made something pretty suitable in like a day making it up as I went.
:frothingfash: WHY DOESN'T KEANU HAVE ENOUGH RECOIL WHEN HE BACKFLIPS OVER A DEAD BODY AND SHOOTS HIS GUN!?!?!?
I could fucking build something like that myself that could be reloaded and reused in like, an afternoon. CG muzzle flashes are ass but you could just build a gun around a BBQ starter, using the same trigger with the tip hidden by the barrel, then just pop a tiny satchel of gun powder at the end of the barrel and feed a small wick inside. If you want repeated fire, hire someone. Otherwise you don't get to fire more than once without a cut which isn't a huge deal. Source: I did this before and though it was a bit slow to shoot, this shit was being done for like $200. The tip of the barrel gets burned to all hell and a bigger flash and more smoke would have been really nice but there's only so much explosives I'm willing to DIY and fuck with, you go from cool prop to actual weapon real fast.
I'm limited to five words for post titles sorry i don't make the rules
Seriously not keen on being in Tosca after that game, and I'm not even a Tenor. I'm gonna jump off the ramparts and there'll be spikes or something.
Killed a woman, Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins , and Injured Director.
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/alec-baldwin-rust-incident-santa-fe-1235094931/
Apparently the armorer was non-union.
So saved maybe $20k, and now someone is dead.
I mean, Alec Baldwin sucks but it sounds like this is the prop guy's fault, not his.
There are pics of him on his phone after the shooting and you can tell he has been crying for awhile.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCRWSVBXsAsbr3U?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCRWUqgXsAgQyVi?format=jpg&name=900x900
I'd have to imagine, you'd have to be like, really really evil to not be broken up after accidentally taking a human life. Alec Baldwin is like, really minorly evil.
For a brief second I thought maybe he feels really bad about all of this but probably not.
eh, I read he was weeping profusely. Accidentally killing someone would probably mess with anyone who isn't a hardened sociopath. Seeing someone die is troubling enough.
Surprised, I'd have thought a celebrity of that caliber would be callous and indifferent.
caliber
bit on the nose, don't you think? Anyway, actors are still workers, so although they definitely get a warped idea of their importance, they still somewhat understand other people have humanity. Some more than others. I don't think anyone can be callous about another human dying directly by their hand unless they have very limited or atypical emotions, or have already killed people.
I know. I couldn’t believe Mr. conductor from the Thomas the tank engine movie killed someone.
Someone said this movie involves someone accidentally shooting someone and killing them. levels to this shit
In the following steps:
- It's often cheaper to load real guns with blanks than to buy prop guns. Blanks are very dangerous at short range because they have a lot of energy.
- The prop master and the firearm safety expert fucked up enormously
- Baldwin mishandled the gun and fired it.
So uh, capitalism. Cheaper to use a real gun with pretendsies ammo (that can still kill you) than a fake pop-pop gun.
They did. It hasn't happened for almost thirty years. But this was a scab armorer who didn't know what they were doing properly.
I had a dream last night that I threw a rock at my friend's head and he died so maybe we're not that different
