The two aren't equal. In our two party system, a vote for Biden is a vote against Trump. Sometimes the best option you have on a ballot is harm reduction, you can't expect voting to fix everything. We need to organize outside electorialism, but voting is still an essential task in slowing down fascism.
A vote for 98% Hitler is a vote against 100% Hitler
You can't "slow down fascism" by voting, fascism arrives on its own timeline based on the falling rate of profit. The capitalists don't care who is in charge, they own both parties - when the time comes that fascism is necessary to beat down the workers and keep up profits, it will spring up like a flame regardless of whether the drapes in the White House are blue or red.
Really Adolf Hitler wasnt that bad when you compare him to 125% Hitler. Regular 100% Hitler is the only sensible choice when 125% Hitler is on the ballot
Lesser evilism still results in an evil society in the end. We will not support genocide Joe there’s literally nothing you can type or say that will ever change that.
If you think the goal is "slowing down" fascism, then you are a fascists best friend. You prostrate yourself before fascism and give up any leverage again and again. You are less the useless
If Trump was in office at least there'd be one side of the aisle openly denouncing this genocide right now but they're not at the moment because it's not politically convenient for them. That tells me all I need to know about the Democratic party. All of their values are conditional and paper thin. Behind the rhetoric they really stand for all the same stuff the Republicans do.
We've had the largest investment in renewable energy in our nations history, investment in infrastructure, a reduction in inflation, economic growth for the bottom 20%. His administration has protected access to contraceptives and abortion medications, expanded protections for trans people, and improved the immigration process.
If you think foreign policy was better under trump you're delusional. Perfect is the enemy of good, we don't need to love Biden to understand how keeping trump out of power protects millions of vulnerable people.
"Investment in renewable energy" is meaningless. What that means is private companies get tax break and investment incentives. And that means people making startups, getting government funding for the initial investment, and then pocketing the money through the extraction of surplus value from its workers. You start a business for free, pay less in taxes, and that's it. A business that sells solar panels, a business that's trying to make carbon capture profitable (read: it's not), a business painting rooftops white. These are all ultimately meaningless things that don't do anything to address the problem of climate change. The solution is to string up oil executives on the National Mall and nationalize the industry. Then to stop pulling the shit out of the ground.
Investment in infrastructure basically goes the same way. Incentivize people starting construction companies, get contracts with DOT, hire immigrants and undocumented workers, extract their surplus value while painting crumbling bridges and asphalting roads in rich neighborhoods.
The reduction in inflation was The Fed which is largely separated from The Executive unless republicans are in the white house. They actually know how to put pressure on people. If Trump was still there, we would see a reduction in the acceleration of inflation as well. Please note that inflation has not actually been reduced, the rate at which inflation grows has come down.
There has been no growth for the bottom 20%. They simply stopped measuring most of those people and the rest have either died of covid or been pulled up on the spreadsheets by the wealthy getting wealthier.
His administration just gave up on abortion because they want moderate Republicans instead of radical feminists. And they haven't protected shit. Republicans will take away contraceptives if they want. Leaving it up to the states is a cop-out.
He sure as shit hasn't improved the immigration process.
Biden has kill millions of vulnerable people. We're not talking about being perfect. We're talking about failing to do even the most minute tiny bit of anything about these problems outside of "let private companies do it" and "states rights."
If you think Biden is holding back fascism you're a fucking moron.
Kind of how he's like the most pro environment of all time and if you point out he opened up oil drilling to the point were producing more oil than any country ever younget a lecture about how he had to do that and it doesn't change the fact he's super good on the environment.
Kindnof like how he's the most pro labor president that literally took executive action to kill a strike.
Liberals love to say this buy Nixon started the clean air and clean water acts because several American rivers were frequently catching on fire because they were so full of chemicals.
He wasn't trying to protect the environment he was trying to stop disgruntled cleavlanders from fire bombing his home.
Yea it's just frustrating when people try to whitewash Nixon by saying he cared about the environment when really it was political expediency.
That and nowadays chuds are against the clean air and water act and there argument is literally "because china" still clinging to the 16l5 year old talking point about China still being the worst polluter in the world (they suddenly don't understand the concept of per caputa) while also ignoring the fact China is literally doing victory laps around us on renewables
Yup they're literally reinventing their entire civilization around clean energy faster than American dipshits can update their talking points.
Don't worry I'm sure in a couple years they will have only made themselves the most energy indpendant country in the world as an act of aggression, even though environmental activists have been screaming at America how that's a no brainer for decades.
I mean why would a nation want to stop contributing to fossil fuels while also making themselves less dependant on other countries and revitalizing their manufacturing sector at the same time to sell that emerging technology to other countries who want to be energy dependant.
Not like that policy would have literally solved all the problems oh idk say... Germany is facing right now.
What is the acceptable number of Palestinian children for Israel to murder? 100k? 500k? 1m? Do you have any shame at all in going out of your way to defend ethnic cleansing????
I second this. Give me the number. How many dead Palestinians is good enough for you liberal fucks? Count the corpses and then tell me that wanting this to stop is "perfect" and not just basic humanity.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
Trump assassinated Soleimani and moved the embassy to Jerusalem; he's said he'd reject humanitarian pauses and increase hostilities with Iran. I agree Biden should work to cut funding to Israel, but at least he's been pushing for water access and electricity for Gaza, for medical care and humanitarian corridors; as bad as it is now, trump would make it staggeringly worse.
at least he's been pushing for water access and electricity for Gaza, for medical care and humanitarian corridors
I want to make this crystal clear: NO HE HASN'T
Every word he's ever said on the matter in public is a lie, he has given the Israelis EVERYTHING they've asked for unconditionally, while making occasional polite requests that they can completely ignore with no consequences. He is an absolutely committed Zionist and his preferred solution is for the Palestinians to leave or die. Literally the only further thing Trump could do is officially send in the US military to do ethnic cleansing in Gaza, rather than just doing it unofficially as Biden has.
Honestly getting US troops on the ground might end the genocide fastest. I feel like a few quality vids of🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻on US soldiers might turn chuds against Israel.
If people like this saw ACTUAL political pressure exerted for a good cause, they'd dismiss it as "aUtHoRiTaRiAnIsM" or some bullshit. It seems like they think any actual political power being wielded is only valid if it stymies progress
but at least he's been pushing for water access and electricity for Gaza
No the fuck he hasn't. Using what as leverage? Don't you know lip service when you see it? Biden is the biggest zionist ideologue in the entire party. Watch his floor speeches back when he was bald. He's more bloodthirsty than 3/4 of Likud.
I'm not saying Trump is better, but the only difference you'd see is what flag gets painted on the American made and American paid for bomb.
at least he's been pushing for water access and electricity for Gaza, for medical care and humanitarian corridors; as bad as it is now, trump would make it staggeringly worse.
but at least he's been pushing for water access and electricity for Gaza, for medical care and humanitarian corridors
Those are just words with no meaning. The reality of the matter is that there are lawsuits being prepared against the US and UK for being complicit in the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. Biden's administration is complicit in genocide.
Biden wanted the embassy moved for DECADES. And how are you stupid enough to think Biden is doing anything to even "push" for water and electricity in Gaza? He is pushing through more arms to the fucking Israelis. Stop being coy you genocider
"Rest assured, we are working hand-in-hand with the German Reich to create humanitarian corridors for the safe and secure passage of Jews and other, uh, 'particular groups' to Eastern Europe."
we’re not going to do a damn thing other than protect Israel in the process. Not a single thing.
Biden when asked if there would be any conditions on support for Isreal
Until one of you fucking liberals can explain to me what is worse than "unlimited unconditional support" you can stop trying to make this argument
The only difference is of a republican was president every elected Democrat would have a Palestinian flag in their profile, when it's a Democrat you just get the president saying anybody who says they support Palestine is actually just a Trump supporter (literally in the last 24 hours)
This is already the worst devastation in the history of Gaza, not being able to criticize that means she's a careerist hack that is just waiting for her marching orders. The new Pelosi
Didn't you hear Trump's going to nuke Gaza instead of doing what Biden is currently doing, which is bypassing Congress to give Israel weapons while openly calling every protestor a MAGA idiot
It would be the exact same, the democrats dont have a real political project thats why theres no serious pushback on anything real. Someone else telling them no and accepting that is the true metric of their political agenda not what they say can do.
There is a genocide going on in Gaza right now, tens of thousands of women and children have been killed by American made bombs that Biden has supplied to Israel by bypassing congressional approval. The Biden administration is complicit in genocide.
You do realize if we keep following this logic forever the DNC basically loses any incentive to improve at all, as long as they remain even slightly better than the GOP they will keep winning. So at what point do we say "enough is enough" and draw a line where we won't support them even if the other option is worse? Does that line not exist? If it doesn't does that mean we're trapped in this cycle forever? What's the long term plan here? Trump isn't going to turn into dust if he loses this election, even if he did his supporters would just find a new cult leader, so are we are just eternally supporting awful liberals forever to keep the super awful republicans out of power?
the DNC basically loses any incentive to improve at all, as long as they remain even slightly better than the GOP they will keep winning
This already happened before even the oldest of us were even voting age. The Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd is only accelerating the DNC rightward shift to unprecedented levels
If you do not like the current state of affairs, do something about it. Get help find and recruit candidates that represent you and perhaps run for office yourself. Local government is where it all starts.
The next Bernie Sanders does NOT magically pop up out of nowhere. The future generations need to step up and do so in a significant manor. Be that change you want yourself. Otherwise let the downward spiral happen and just live with your choice to not get involved personally.
So you are happy to let the evil win? You get to have what you are willing to do. DO something to make the change. Become the Better Bernie Sanders yourself. Change something for the better just don't waste your time and everyone else's time pissing and moaning about something.
Evil has already won and we’re on our own. Nobody here expects help from the DNC, not even meaningful harm mitigation. The way forward for us is local organising and building militant grass roots resistance to the two headed fascist party.
I would like to thank you for making this doodoo ass post. Through the dunking on you my comrades have done, curious onlookers will be informed and educated to the evils of the american empire. You have my (very critical) support, please continue shitting out doodoo ass posts
Maybe she knows that Biden losing would only result in worse deviation for Gaza.
"You have no real choice in US but to vote for genocide"
yes, thank you for this searing critique of electoralism that everyone here is already aware of
The two aren't equal. In our two party system, a vote for Biden is a vote against Trump. Sometimes the best option you have on a ballot is harm reduction, you can't expect voting to fix everything. We need to organize outside electorialism, but voting is still an essential task in slowing down fascism.
Sounds like a totally dogshit system we shouldn't lend credibility to if the only choices are unlimited genocide or allegedly slightly more genocide
Fascism is here. You live in a fascist country under fascism. Enjoy exercising your right to rubber stamp genocide
"I, John Brown, am now quite certain, that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with blood."
Notice how the greatest American of all time wasn't going around pleading for votes. Justice doesn't come from a ballot box.
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun
Ok I'm voting for Biden by not voting for Trump
Opps, you did a fascism.
You can't "slow down fascism" by voting, fascism arrives on its own timeline based on the falling rate of profit. The capitalists don't care who is in charge, they own both parties - when the time comes that fascism is necessary to beat down the workers and keep up profits, it will spring up like a flame regardless of whether the drapes in the White House are blue or red.
Really Adolf Hitler wasnt that bad when you compare him to 125% Hitler. Regular 100% Hitler is the only sensible choice when 125% Hitler is on the ballot
Curious how you want me to vote for the baby killer so much
If we occasionally elect the greater of two evils and then occasionally the lesser of two evils, which direction are we ultimately headed in?
C'mon, man. I argued just yesterday for keeping federation with lemmee. Don't make a fool out of me.
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Lesser evilism still results in an evil society in the end. We will not support genocide Joe there’s literally nothing you can type or say that will ever change that.
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this shit is so sad is comes across as a bit. is it?
If you think the goal is "slowing down" fascism, then you are a fascists best friend. You prostrate yourself before fascism and give up any leverage again and again. You are less the useless
We sure harm reduced the fuck out of abortion rights, didn't we?
If Trump was in office at least there'd be one side of the aisle openly denouncing this genocide right now but they're not at the moment because it's not politically convenient for them. That tells me all I need to know about the Democratic party. All of their values are conditional and paper thin. Behind the rhetoric they really stand for all the same stuff the Republicans do.
your "democracy" is a sham and here's why
also: fuck you genocide apologist
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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We've had the largest investment in renewable energy in our nations history, investment in infrastructure, a reduction in inflation, economic growth for the bottom 20%. His administration has protected access to contraceptives and abortion medications, expanded protections for trans people, and improved the immigration process.
If you think foreign policy was better under trump you're delusional. Perfect is the enemy of good, we don't need to love Biden to understand how keeping trump out of power protects millions of vulnerable people.
"Investment in renewable energy" is meaningless. What that means is private companies get tax break and investment incentives. And that means people making startups, getting government funding for the initial investment, and then pocketing the money through the extraction of surplus value from its workers. You start a business for free, pay less in taxes, and that's it. A business that sells solar panels, a business that's trying to make carbon capture profitable (read: it's not), a business painting rooftops white. These are all ultimately meaningless things that don't do anything to address the problem of climate change. The solution is to string up oil executives on the National Mall and nationalize the industry. Then to stop pulling the shit out of the ground.
Investment in infrastructure basically goes the same way. Incentivize people starting construction companies, get contracts with DOT, hire immigrants and undocumented workers, extract their surplus value while painting crumbling bridges and asphalting roads in rich neighborhoods.
The reduction in inflation was The Fed which is largely separated from The Executive unless republicans are in the white house. They actually know how to put pressure on people. If Trump was still there, we would see a reduction in the acceleration of inflation as well. Please note that inflation has not actually been reduced, the rate at which inflation grows has come down.
There has been no growth for the bottom 20%. They simply stopped measuring most of those people and the rest have either died of covid or been pulled up on the spreadsheets by the wealthy getting wealthier.
His administration just gave up on abortion because they want moderate Republicans instead of radical feminists. And they haven't protected shit. Republicans will take away contraceptives if they want. Leaving it up to the states is a cop-out.
He sure as shit hasn't improved the immigration process.
Biden has kill millions of vulnerable people. We're not talking about being perfect. We're talking about failing to do even the most minute tiny bit of anything about these problems outside of "let private companies do it" and "states rights."
If you think Biden is holding back fascism you're a fucking moron.
GOOD post
Reminder that the nubers for 2022 from BloombergNEF have China spending ($546 billion) nearly 4x as much as the USA on green energy investment.
huh, I guess building the wall & detaining and rejecting asylum seekers against international law counts as "immigration improvement" for liberals.
Literally just whatever Biden is doing is good.
Kind of how he's like the most pro environment of all time and if you point out he opened up oil drilling to the point were producing more oil than any country ever younget a lecture about how he had to do that and it doesn't change the fact he's super good on the environment.
Kindnof like how he's the most pro labor president that literally took executive action to kill a strike.
Our most environmental president since Nixon
fucking Tricky-Dick Nixon was more liberal than every president I've ever lived through
Liberals love to say this buy Nixon started the clean air and clean water acts because several American rivers were frequently catching on fire because they were so full of chemicals.
He wasn't trying to protect the environment he was trying to stop disgruntled cleavlanders from fire bombing his home.
That sounds like a full-assed solution to a problem, even if it's for the "wrong" reason. Today's liberals can barely manage a quarter-ass
Yea it's just frustrating when people try to whitewash Nixon by saying he cared about the environment when really it was political expediency.
That and nowadays chuds are against the clean air and water act and there argument is literally "because china" still clinging to the 16l5 year old talking point about China still being the worst polluter in the world (they suddenly don't understand the concept of per caputa) while also ignoring the fact China is literally doing victory laps around us on renewables
They just about cleaned up burning fucking coal. Lightyears in decades.
Yup they're literally reinventing their entire civilization around clean energy faster than American dipshits can update their talking points.
Don't worry I'm sure in a couple years they will have only made themselves the most energy indpendant country in the world as an act of aggression, even though environmental activists have been screaming at America how that's a no brainer for decades.
I mean why would a nation want to stop contributing to fossil fuels while also making themselves less dependant on other countries and revitalizing their manufacturing sector at the same time to sell that emerging technology to other countries who want to be energy dependant.
Not like that policy would have literally solved all the problems oh idk say... Germany is facing right now.
What is the acceptable number of Palestinian children for Israel to murder? 100k? 500k? 1m? Do you have any shame at all in going out of your way to defend ethnic cleansing????
I second this. Give me the number. How many dead Palestinians is good enough for you liberal fucks? Count the corpses and then tell me that wanting this to stop is "perfect" and not just basic humanity.
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He actually did none of those things.
cw
::: Enjoy voting for your baby killing war criminal
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Why did he let my student loan payments restart? I would prefer to keep my money.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
"his administration has protected access to abortion"
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"I have to support the guy doing the current genocide in case the other guy does a worse genocide."
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Trump assassinated Soleimani and moved the embassy to Jerusalem; he's said he'd reject humanitarian pauses and increase hostilities with Iran. I agree Biden should work to cut funding to Israel, but at least he's been pushing for water access and electricity for Gaza, for medical care and humanitarian corridors; as bad as it is now, trump would make it staggeringly worse.
I want to make this crystal clear: NO HE HASN'T
Every word he's ever said on the matter in public is a lie, he has given the Israelis EVERYTHING they've asked for unconditionally, while making occasional polite requests that they can completely ignore with no consequences. He is an absolutely committed Zionist and his preferred solution is for the Palestinians to leave or die. Literally the only further thing Trump could do is officially send in the US military to do ethnic cleansing in Gaza, rather than just doing it unofficially as Biden has.
Honestly getting US troops on the ground might end the genocide fastest. I feel like a few quality vids of🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻on US soldiers might turn chuds against Israel.
I mean probably not but I'm an optimist.
If people like this saw ACTUAL political pressure exerted for a good cause, they'd dismiss it as "aUtHoRiTaRiAnIsM" or some bullshit. It seems like they think any actual political power being wielded is only valid if it stymies progress
No the fuck he hasn't. Using what as leverage? Don't you know lip service when you see it? Biden is the biggest zionist ideologue in the entire party. Watch his floor speeches back when he was bald. He's more bloodthirsty than 3/4 of Likud.
I'm not saying Trump is better, but the only difference you'd see is what flag gets painted on the American made and American paid for bomb.
You are deeply unserious.
Biden is literally repeatedly lying to spread isreals bullshit justifications of everything they're doing.
How many more times is he going to talk about that video of beheaded babies everybody else agrees he deffinitly didn't see because it doesn't exist.
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Those are just words with no meaning. The reality of the matter is that there are lawsuits being prepared against the US and UK for being complicit in the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. Biden's administration is complicit in genocide.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/south-african-lawyers-preparing-lawsuit-against-us-uk-for-complicity-in-israels-war-crimes-in-gaza/3109201#
Biden wanted the embassy moved for DECADES. And how are you stupid enough to think Biden is doing anything to even "push" for water and electricity in Gaza? He is pushing through more arms to the fucking Israelis. Stop being coy you genocider
"Rest assured, we are working hand-in-hand with the German Reich to create humanitarian corridors for the safe and secure passage of Jews and other, uh, 'particular groups' to Eastern Europe."
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Until one of you fucking liberals can explain to me what is worse than "unlimited unconditional support" you can stop trying to make this argument
The only difference is of a republican was president every elected Democrat would have a Palestinian flag in their profile, when it's a Democrat you just get the president saying anybody who says they support Palestine is actually just a Trump supporter (literally in the last 24 hours)
This is already the worst devastation in the history of Gaza, not being able to criticize that means she's a careerist hack that is just waiting for her marching orders. The new Pelosi
Didn't you hear Trump's going to nuke Gaza instead of doing what Biden is currently doing, which is bypassing Congress to give Israel weapons while openly calling every protestor a MAGA idiot
do you even convince yourself with this warmed-over bullshit?
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It would be the exact same, the democrats dont have a real political project thats why theres no serious pushback on anything real. Someone else telling them no and accepting that is the true metric of their political agenda not what they say can do.
Right, Trump would probably bypass Congress to send aid to Israel, continue to veto UN resolutions demanding a ceasefire, call peace protestors names, and actually be sued by advocacy groups openly accusing him of genocide.
Oh wait.
Your guy's a fucking loser who should be strung up too.
There is a genocide going on in Gaza right now, tens of thousands of women and children have been killed by American made bombs that Biden has supplied to Israel by bypassing congressional approval. The Biden administration is complicit in genocide.
You do realize if we keep following this logic forever the DNC basically loses any incentive to improve at all, as long as they remain even slightly better than the GOP they will keep winning. So at what point do we say "enough is enough" and draw a line where we won't support them even if the other option is worse? Does that line not exist? If it doesn't does that mean we're trapped in this cycle forever? What's the long term plan here? Trump isn't going to turn into dust if he loses this election, even if he did his supporters would just find a new cult leader, so are we are just eternally supporting awful liberals forever to keep the super awful republicans out of power?
This already happened before even the oldest of us were even voting age. The Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd is only accelerating the DNC rightward shift to unprecedented levels
If you do not like the current state of affairs, do something about it. Get help find and recruit candidates that represent you and perhaps run for office yourself. Local government is where it all starts.
The next Bernie Sanders does NOT magically pop up out of nowhere. The future generations need to step up and do so in a significant manor. Be that change you want yourself. Otherwise let the downward spiral happen and just live with your choice to not get involved personally.
Hahaha, Bern was such a pathetic let down and even he was too left for the DNC. Fuck the party.
So you are happy to let the evil win? You get to have what you are willing to do. DO something to make the change. Become the Better Bernie Sanders yourself. Change something for the better just don't waste your time and everyone else's time pissing and moaning about something.
Evil has already won and we’re on our own. Nobody here expects help from the DNC, not even meaningful harm mitigation. The way forward for us is local organising and building militant grass roots resistance to the two headed fascist party.
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Trump never started a regional war and genocide, just sayin’
That’s how shit your boy is, he’s a genocidal maniac who is more unstable and dangerous than Trump
I would like to thank you for making this doodoo ass post. Through the dunking on you my comrades have done, curious onlookers will be informed and educated to the evils of the american empire. You have my (very critical) support, please continue shitting out doodoo ass posts
You are a fucking joke
Die