Rogan and Spotify are yet to comment on why at least 70 of his episodes have been deleted, while he apologized for his use of the racial slur and comparing a visit to a Black neighborhood to being in the movie Planet of the Apes.
:shrek-pixel-despair: 70 episodes lmao
Joe Rogan talking to a man with a black a white parent:
“Powerful combination genetic wise. Right? You get the body of the Black man and then you get the mind of the white man altogether in some strange combination.”
Like, it isn't as obviously offensive as the n word, but it is textbook racism.
'that doesn't mean that black people don't have brains, it's a different brain. Don't get me wrong.'
:cringe:
rogan can reach a lot of libs!"
Joe Rogan, master of the tactical n word
Drop a tactical n-word bomb in this video. Yep BIG one, hard-r.
Can I point out that in planet of the apes they had a diverse multi-species society and most of the protagonists were scientists and linguists? It's honestly a great movie.
He basically does this during his apology. All the instances of him saying the n word, according to Rogan, were in context of him talking about how the word is used, all meta discussions. But he continued to say that, even with that context, it was still unequivocally unacceptable for him to use the word, that he understands why it’s upsetting, and that he’s tried for a while now to stop using it.
However, when it comes to the “planet of the apes” comment, he tries to insist that that’s not what he meant and that it was just didn’t come out right. That he was trying to tell a story about how much fun it was to watch planet of the apes in a black neighborhood. It was supposed to be a compliment don’t you seeeee?????
In his Space Ghost interview, Charleston Heston says that the strangest thing about making that movie was that lunch all the chimpanzees sat at one table, the gorillas sat at another, and the orangutans sat at another. Dunno what that means but it's an interesting anecdote.
My instinct is to say the actors in suits would have all gone to get makeup/costumes together based on their ape species and so spent more time one another regardless, so became friends
spotify gonna get canceled when foreign policy m'uyghur podcast eps get censored
I think there's a software that converts audio into transcripts. After that its just ctrl+f
i saw eddie bravo live a few years back and i must say, his version of stand up just comes across as "loud guy at the party that drunk people laugh with" but there's a small amount of menace in there, like he needs the audience to laugh or maybe he'll punch us? also at that show it turned out like 95% of the audience were q believers and i quickly felt like i needed to be able to plot a route to my vehicle to escape them
comparing a visit to a Black neighborhood to being in the movie Planet of the Apes
what the fuck this is literal Stormfront shit
Theverge has been following the joe rogan thing and they assume it's guest asking their appearances to be pulled.
Oh shit, that actually might do something. They pulled the Billy red balls episodes and I was confused why.
The real lesson there isn't that people were wrong for saying Joe was left-adjacent (i mean, that is a lesson just not the broader lesson that everyone needs to take). It was thinking that Bernie going on any media program whatsoever mattered at all to the outcome. Now that history has played out, it doesn't matter that he went on Rogan. It didn't matter that he went on Fox News. None of it helped and none of it hurt because we got the same outcome. It's not like he would have won if he went on fewer shows.
This is a lesson we need to take with us going forward and stop freaking out over media appearances all together. It's not what makes things happen.
I don't think that I agree that you can reduce everything to singular outcomes. This would be like saying the Paris commune didn't matter because it failed, it did inspire and provide lessons for future revolutions. Bernie failed but the left is much stronger for his efforts.
I'm not making a comment about Bernie's place in US labor history or what affect his two runs will have on the future. I'm making a comment specifically about how much we value media and media consumption. A lesson you learn from it is that going on Rogan didn't help him win the nomination and for the exact same reasons it didn't hurt him. Same with going on Fox News.
I definitely didn't say Bernie lost because he went on Rogan or why he lost at all. I didn't attribute his loss to a single outcome.
I'm still not sure if we can determine the effectiveness of the media appearances based on the outcome alone given the many other variables, though as a hunch I think you are correct.
That said it's clear that the mainstream liberal media has incredible power over the primaries. This power was not countered by appearing on conservative media or independent media. Is the lesson to not make such media appearances? These appearances if not decisive might still be worth it given the ratio of Bernie's time to the exposure (2 hours of podcast is possibly more effective than 2 hours of door knocking). Independent media is not be strong enough to counter mainstream media but isn't trying to build dual power in media the only counter we have even if it is not a decisive factor in the short term?
I don't think the lesson is to not make media appearances. The lesson is just to realize their importance in the grand scheme of things. It's not that they're totally useless or absolutely necessary, it depends on the moment. If we go back in time and ask me I would say maybe the appearances helped. But since then I just don't feel like they did much. In that moment they weren't important even though at the time it seemed like it was. At any present moment media seems like a big deal because that's how we interface with world events. But in retrospect you can probably tell whether or not it was important. It's like how, at the time, we thought Bernie should be more aggressive with Biden. But would that have really made the difference if you think of how they would have responded to it? Probably not. Bernie is mean to Biden. Media goes nuts over civility. Bernie loses anyways because they would have rallied around Biden all the same.
All the other arguments around media vs groundwork are irrelevant because they all mean the same thing. Bernie's door-to-door didn't win it for him either. The speeches selling out stadiums didn't do it. Absolutely none of it was enough to break through the real problem. You can't beat the system when the system is stacked against you. At least not without directly attacking the root cause. Media wasn't the deciding factor, it was the willingness of Democrats to throw out the rules when push comes to shove. They simply did good politics, even if they did it for the absolute most evil system in the world. It's good to be ruthless and willing to fight for a knife in the mud. Bernie's team should have expected it. It was also pretty easy for them since they have the system on their side. There was no attack on that system coupled with the Bernie campaign. This is where the derision for electoralism comes from.
A lesson is for us to not treat these appearances as something of great importance. Another lesson is that nothing will help unless you go after the real problem. That problem is we need a way to shut off the economy when we have demands. What importance will media appearances play in building that tool? I don't know it hasn't happened yet. They could be important. They may be completely unimportant. We'll have to see.
I thought the message was that Rogan had a lot of reach and Bernie should use that, since Rogan's a yes-man? Like, there was concern trolling calling Bernie racist by assoc. and the sub was rightfully like 'no that's dumb.'
I was like “Joe rogan called women who don’t want kids worse than dogs” and everyone shrugged
I still believe material politics could move a lot of his audience past their culture war hangups and bring them left. Talking about left politics on his show probably won't compete very well with his circus, but I really think if a high minimum wage and a right to healthcare and housing was on the line, not too many people would keep their commitments to insane conspiracy bullshit.
we all said
some people did, but the consensus seemed to be a lot more reluctant and cautious. turns out the people not willing to blindly accept a bernie endorsement as a complete chud redemption arc had the correct take.
He looks enough like Mussolini how long until we can hang him upside down and shoot him
I thought this the other day. Could see him at the front of an American fascist movement as the mussolini strongman
If only there was a way he could have avoided there being 24 separate recordings of him saying the worst word possible ahh oooff well thems the breaks i guess
God I wish. I was obsessed with Newsradio as a kid but looking back it had Andy Dick, Joe Rogan, a fucking Scott Adams guest appearance, and a lovable scamp billionaire. Tragic.
Stephen Root as that scamp billionaire 🥰
He needs to be in more things
And I just adore NewsRadio in general even with stupid Rogan and Andy Dick.
When is Rogan announcing that he's running for president as GOP?
Well if he gets shit-canned by Spotify - he can make an racist anti-apology that's a pro-republican statement saying "I'm proud that I used the n-word. And right I'm going to make a Planet of the Ape statement filled with 37 n-words because that's how much I love the United States of America. God bless this wonderful Christian nation filled with grain and other shit for bros..."
Man, so....behind the scenes story with the making of Planet of the Apes. They actually caught shit in early production from the NAACP for not hiring black actors and they had to expl that they weren't sure which would come off worse.
The medium backgro actors were like...pretty much exclus Phillipino as well because they needed a quick and easy way to do the makeup. The designer kinda accidentally figured it out while doing makeup tests that just skin tone and general facial structure it was the safest bet and would minimize sending extras away and needing replacements or doing custom makeup for several hundred people. He was like, super hesitant to bring it up as a solution and did really try to figure a way around it. They knew they were saying with fire regarding the casting, which like, if you see the final movie suing an ape in it really isn't an insult per se but you wouldn't know that before it was filmed.
This study is the old controversy of Rogan's covid misinformation and people worrying that their favorite musicians/bands might pull their music. I quoted the first half. The rest is corporate damage control.
Study finds 19% of Spotify users have unsubscribed over Joe Rogan controversy
A new study has found that 19 per cent of Spotify users have cancelled their subscriptions since the controversy around Joe Rogan's podcast broke out.
In January, hundreds of scientists and medical professionals asked Spotify to address COVID-19 misinformation on its platform, sparked by comments made on The Joe Rogan Experience. The 270-plus members of the science and medical community signed an open letter, which called Rogan's actions "not only objectionable and offensive but also medically and culturally dangerous".
Following the publishing of that letter, Neil Young demanded his music be "immediately" removed from the platform, with many high-profile artists like Joni Mitchell, David Crosby and Graham Nash following suit.
Now, as Variety reports, a consumer poll from Forrester Research has found that 19 per cent of the streaming service's customers have since cancelled their subscriptions, or plan to in the near future. Although 54 per cent of responders said they have no intention of cancelling their plans, another 18.5 per cent said they would consider cancelling if more music was removed from the platform.
per cent of the streaming service’s customers have since cancelled their subscriptions, or plan to in the near future.
Uhhh
As capitalists, Spotify's caught between a rock and a hard place. Isn't JRE the #1 podcast by a metric fuck ton? So they either cancel their most popular content or risk losing people from their platform (still how true that would be). Honestly, does anyone listen to Spotify solely for JRE? doubt it.
We actually don't know the metrics for JRE.
What we do know is that the 11 million number is old and pre Spotify and when released had the caveat that it was likely very inaccurate because of double and triple counting, we know that Rogan has had a dip in listeners when he moved to Spotify because he said so, we know a study showed his impact had almost halved based on a boost of sales and followers along side social media mentions of Rogan three months after the Spotify deal and we know according to the leaked Spotify memos Marc Maron was in the same "high listenership" category as Rogan and Maron says his listeners on Spotify are 3-4 million an episode and that it's actually one of the lower listener platforms for him and we know that spotify had no noticeable increase in subs based on the Rogan deal and that some people internally called it a failure.
Based on that I'd say Rogan was hitting around 5 million and adopted the covid shit because it attracted attention that he desperately craved and needed to justify the cost to Spotify and he's likely in more danger of being dropped than people may think. Although he definitely won't be but i think his position is more precarious than many imagine.
he definitely won’t be but i think his position is more precarious than many imagine
Sorry, but what does this mean? It seems to parse as "he won't be dropped, but if he is, then I was right in that scenario, too."
I mean to say that Spotify won’t drop him, like I would be beyond shocked if they did, I would consider myself completely wrong if he was - but that his numbers aren’t as good as people think.
Honestly I meant it more as in “if there’s another big thing I think he’s at risk of being dropped, but this one he’ll survive easily” more than anything
Lol. The only worse person who could say that would be Ghislaine Maxwell. I thought that person was hated by the :frothingfash: lately for a string of bad appearances.
I don't want to feel all self superior, but I think I figured out not saying the n-word at 7.
