techies finally going thru their own "deindustrialization"
haha learn to code kids so we can devalue your labor internationally like everyone else
So how exactly is this country gonna function by the time it is fully de-industrialized? Do we just shuffle papers around at barely minimum wage with inflating debt?
20 oligarch families will own everything. You will own nothing and you will be told that you are happy. The economy will be directed towards servicing the oligarchs and giving them a nice time. Most jobs will be soul-crushing underpaid service jobs although the oligarchs will need a few doctors, lawyers, accountants and the like who will make up a small and precarious middle class.
People say this but majority of the software developer jobs for US companies are in the US itself and they don't hire much visa workers or outsourced the jobs. It's all bs. People will take a look at one or two extreme cases and do the whole panic "omg they're taking our jobs" while someone on a student visa won't get hired because the companies don't want to sponsor a working visa for them. It's only gotten worst since Trump.
“If I’m hiring a person in Cleveland, why not just hire a person in Bogota?” Josh Brenner, CEO of Hired, said in an interview. “They’re both remote, they’re both on the same time zone. And I can do that in a much more cost-efficient way right now.”
I mean yeah ur right majority will stay. But how big of a majority? 70%? 60? Its just that much more competition. (obvs dont misconstrue my words as thinking latam ppl are somehow to blame. They also want what we all want, a good quality of life and they should get that dough)
They're in for a rude awakening when they realize that most non-US countries have an attitude towards work/life balance that is much closer to Europe than the US (e.g. 2 weeks vacation for a professional or expecting 50 hour weeks would be appalling).
Yeah local laws still apply to where the person is working and not to where the employer is headquartered. I work with people based out of the UK and some dude got 7 months paternity leave for an adoption.
I was just talking about how the actual employees will act vs cucked Americans, but the law is a good point too. Most Global South countries have better worker protection laws vs the US too lmfao.
well well well... looks like I was right all along saying that IT was going to start sucking very soon, then deciding to start a career in English teaching
move over, learn2code, it's time for learn2teach to take over
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Learn2Teach would be a good opportunity to do Narodism if it wouldn't be about suppressing teachers wages.
Idk, I think it's more that imperialism suppresses non amerikkkan tech workers' pay.
Been hearing for longer than my career that offshoring was going to reduce tech pay, including a manager tell me how many devs he could hire in India for my salary, but none of that's come to pass. The same manager said some incredibly racist shit about American devs getting paid for creativity. Dude was first generation American too ffs.
Hell the pandemic and instant proliferation of remote work was supposed to do the same for people in tech hubs, but the opposite happened. It's cause porky pays for superficial journalism like this to suppress wages.
I work in tech and have worked with offshore developers on a few projects. The quality of their code has been all over the field, from a clusterfuck of indecipherable spaghetti code to good well-structured quality code. A reason for some of the code being low quality could be that these developers are doing piecework and need to rush through projects to make a salary, without having the thing to do quality work. The big detriment to using offshore devs is not the quality of their work. You see crappy code from western devs as well. The big problem is the friction in communication that comes from the language barrier and from being in different time zones.
Big reason for poor quality code from offshoring is brain drain. Historically, the best engineers in India got poached to work in the West for higher wages, so those offshoring companies were stuck with a less talented pool to begin with, then add in the fact that they are competing on cost (I.e. rushing jobs) and you get that result.
This is changing as people in countries like India, Russia, China, the Philippines, etc. are more likely to go home after a short stay making $$$ in the West, or they're just less likely to come to the US in the first place because quality of life in the Global South has gotten better and better in the past 10-15 years while it's stagnated in the US while the gap in wages gets smaller and smaller.
Eventually, US companies won't even be able to exploit global South labor via offshoring, and then they will be in big trouble because no one wants to move to Stanky Yankee land, and no one here knows how to do anything.
I’m back in school with a bunch of Indian dudes, and communication is 100% a thing. It sucks that it is, what should be nothing more than benign social friction with immigrants feels different in a hostile society.
The one guy I’ve been talking to seems pretty cool, but I’ll get these texts from him occasionally that are a bit rough, it really seems like the language barrier does not help our interactions lol
Not that it’s super bad or anything, it’s just that we have frequent, minor misunderstandings and sometimes need several back-and-fourths getting on the same page
Totally cool and normal… for cool and normal people. But when all that yappin takes place on the company dime :porky-scared-flipped:
technically its happening but it's not due to offshoring, but due to onshoring. Boise, austin, Denver have seen record in-migration the past two years, and tech salaries have been rising accordingly. Meanwhile they declined in sf and new york for the first time by 1.1 pct
They are two halves to the same coin. The US limits economic opportunities of non-americans simply because they are foreign. It's protectionism of american salaries and it's incredibly racist, xenophobic, and nationalistic.
Journalism like this does little to suppress wages. Ultimately, companies just won't hire people if they can't find someone for the right price. There's no such thing as a "critical" employee, especially in engineering.
Wages in the tech sector will decline over time as the sector becomes more commodified and matures. Tech workers make a lot of money because the odds of them hitting a moonshot idea are so high, because there's still a lot of wins/higher than average profits. So it makes sense to pay Software engineers lots so that they potentially give your company that idea, or least don't go to a competitor, or start a their own company. Basically it's a bribe to prevent you from attempting a start-up.
Once all the unicorn profit potential dries up, or Amazon Web Services coats too much and web apps can't make as much profit, tech wages will come down to the level of other engineers, and eventually might even get lower because of how many people have flooded CS degrees chasing money.
Imperialism is simply a way for these companies to squeeze extra profit out of the same effort (because they can exploit offshore workers harder), but it doesn't really have an effect on domestic wages because those offshore workers aren't doing "potential moonshot" work. If your job is directly threatened by offshoring, it's threatened more so by automation.
It didn't really read like that.
More like someone looking to not live in poverty is all.
normally id say nurse as thats technically been the fastest growing field for like at least the past five years, but, ykno...
you could still be a home care nurse, if you think youd be up for it.
other than that, you could work for the government, but obviously we both know thats not gonna happen lol
you could do real estate i spose, does involve being very social and a good liar. Anyways hope that cleared things up for you
off the top of my head, elevator mechanic? pretty okay pay, offshore proof, maybe recession proof, good growth in positions. I dont know how long training is tho, and I assume youd have to okay being in tight spaces.
If you can get a counseling degree reasonably cheap it's pretty good, just be prepared to listen to peeps BS and have to find ways to healthily compartmentalize it. Nursing is similar in what I've experienced in hearing shit I shouldn't have to hear.
I mean the peeps I've met in it are pretty cool. There's also nutritional science (can start by getting a Associates in it and working at low cost, hospitals always need peeps to go over TPN and other nutritional orders and outside of that you can become a nutritional counselor.
Ah yeah it can be grating and doesn't allow much maneuvering compared to nursing (I'm currently going into public health due to how bedside is currently broken and isn't gonna repair itself in a while). There's also physical therapy as well, lot less stressful than nursing and allows one to work in hospitals as well as in individual clinics or via private practice. Mind though that you should strive to obtain you're PT degree as cheaply as possible as it requires a master's level to be certified to practice.
Healthcare seems to be the one thing there will always be a demand for. Medicine, nursing, dentistry, pharmacology etc. are probably some of the best bets in the long term.
If you like CS, stick with CS. Fact is that it's still one of the easiest, cushiest jobs that offers the best salary to effort ratio if you have an interest and at least some competence in the field. These remote jobs aren't gonna be a threat to wages as much as you think (coordination costs are big), and job instability isn't as bad as you think.
Trust me, if you're a CS major now, you'd be in hell trying to be a nurse lmfao. If you're a STEM-brain and you're really obsessed with stability, get into power distribution/transmission engineering. We got a grid that needs fixing, just expect to get paid like shit and guilt-tripped over "service" to do it.
Power is a good way to go, there is also telecommunications and other positions that exist in utilities and government that are pretty stable and comfy for our local STEMoids
:v oh no, se van a robar mi empleo. a bueno, al rato regreso a mi pueblo y encuentro mi empleo robado tirado en el suelo
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