If you have any useful resource links please tag me in a comment with the link.

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Please add to this if you can.

Links

Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en

Leftist discussion threads:

https://hexbear.net/post/177324

https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/

https://lemmygrad.ml/

Twitter military updaters:

https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary

https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet

https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike

https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael

https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518

Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413

Better war/propaganda analysis:

https://www.understandingwar.org

https://www.moonofalabama.org/

News updates:

https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html

Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html

YT/Video in Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe

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  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    3 years ago

    Seeing tweets about how epic based Ukranians are tying up people in public and labeling them as "looters" and everyone is just going fucking wild about how good they think this is.

    Telling someone that Azov are state sponsored nazis requires 20 citations, is still untrue because Zelensky is Jewish and the nazis lost the election, and even if its true you cant care about it because that benefits Putin, yet random vigilante justice requires no fucking evidence at all that the victims arent just literally random innocents, all because its the epic Ukranians doing it.

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
      ·
      3 years ago

      Americans think Chris Kyle is a national hero and he made up a story about sniping black looters during hurricane katrina so this tracks.

    • NoGodsNoMasters [they/them, she/her]
      ·
      3 years ago

      and the nazis lost the election

      This really goes to show that libs are just completely incapable of conceiving of any kind of political action outside of vooting.

      • SaniFlush [any, any]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Hope Russia can handle the Nazi elements haunting its mainland too

    • NPa [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      This is always the way it goes when you go against the grain. One side can claim 'common sense', 'consensus' and gut feeling is enough evidence for their point of view. The other side has to write a dissertation and use meticulous logic. And it will still be dismissed.

      Don't worry though, take it as a challenge in vetting information and sources, developing your rhetorical abilities and shaping your own syncretic politics. We have the advantage that our beliefs are not fixed and dogmatic, but change according to new information, and being well-read and un-biased can do wonders for being more authoritative and calm in discussions. Meanwhile, liberalism is built on half-truths and idealism, and has to constantly battle cognitive dissonance, which takes away from their persuasive power.

      :lenin-cat:

      • spectre [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        We have the advantage that the truth is on our side

        I upvoted and agree with your post comrade, but I think it could be further improved if you rephrased this part, since it could potentially encourage the same confirmation biased mindset that we're trying to avoid.

        • NPa [he/him]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Absolutely. What would be a better framing?

          • spectre [he/him]
            ·
            3 years ago

            Could probably go a couple of directions with it, but perhaps something like "We have the advantage that our beliefs bend to the truth" if you wanted to go the opposite direction. I'm thinking about how self-criticism and re-analysis is common and expected when we get something wrong.

            Another option I'd consider would be to appeal to the materialist, socially scientific nature of our analysis as marxists, but if you were explaining this to a liberal they think that they "believe in science" already, and that's enough, so it wouldn't have any rhetorical effect on them. Depends on your audience (which is Hexbear anyway, in this case)

            I meant it more as in that old joke: “Study history for long enough and you either become a communist or a liar.”

            Fair enough, and that's totally appropriate here, I just disdain the smugness projected by liberals about shit like "history has a liberal bias" or whatever and I wouldn't want to see us or our comrades fall into that trap.

            • NPa [he/him]
              ·
              3 years ago

              Yeah that makes more sense. That's what I was going for too, when we are proven wrong or our predictions don't pan out, we don't just resort to conspiracy-addled thinking, we update our models and try again.

      • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Americans trip over themselves to excuse white collar criminals who pull off billion dollar heists but go absolutely feral over petty thieves who steal from corporate chains.

    • Kanna [she/her]
      ·
      3 years ago

      It's unfortunately something we're all used to. Non leftists will take the slightest inconsistency and use that to deem anything we say as dismissible. Of course, the same scrutiny doesn't apply to them