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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Please add to this if you can.
Links
Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en
Leftist discussion threads:
https://hexbear.net/post/177324
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/
https://lemmygrad.ml/
Twitter military updaters:
https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary
https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet
https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike
https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael
https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518
Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413
Better war/propaganda analysis:
https://www.understandingwar.org
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
News updates:
https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html
Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html
YT/Video in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe
Thank you.
Previous megathreads:
Also another thing I've noticed, western media is trying to portray this as a huge failure for the Russian military because they haven't simply walked into Ukraine. It took the US 3-weeks to defeat the Iraqi army and they invaded with 300,000 troops. Russia only has 30-40k troops right now. Iraq is 2/3 the size of Ukraine and far less densely populated. Ukraine also has the largest army in Europe and is fully supported with both arms and intelligence from every European state and the US. Also, compare the loss of civilian life in the first few days of Russia's attack vs the Americans' bloodthirsty bombing of Baghdad at the start of the war. The US showed absolutely zero concern for Iraqi civilians, and it still took them 3 weeks to defeat an army starved after a decade of sanctions with no allies or weaponry or support from anyone. Think of how barbaric you have to be to make the Russian army look civilized and restrained by comparison.
Excellent take I found from reddit
Yep, Ukraine is a big place, and the Russians are (or at least were) advancing 30km/day. That means, for example, it'll take a week or two to get from the eastern border to the river even if you faced no opposition. Screw "is Russia doing well or not", Putin physically could not have won by now without teleportation magic or a bombing campaign of the same magnitude as Vietnam
Exactly, even taking yknow, yknow, actual fighting out of the mix entirely, armies move slower than your sedan cause it's several vehicles and people moving in strategic unison so they don't get killed. And the overall goal doesn't seem to be to drop napalm on people until they abandon communism so Vietnam shit doesn't really help your goals. Wars can be fought to force a surrender, not to permanently brutalize a nation. You can accept Japan's conditional surrender and not bomb Hiroshima for example.
The State Department predicted Kiev would fall in 96 hours, so Ukraine is actually dominating the Asiatic Mongol horde invaders and sending Muslim orcs to hell.
I just learned Zelenskyy is in the Pandora Papers. This guy is going to 100% fall from grace
I mean be kinda oversaw the rise of Nazism for years and did nothing, either because he doesn't care or cowardice that the Nazis would kill him. And said Ukraine must join NATO and get nuclear weapons a week before the invasion. And then gave everyone guns, including civilians and prisoners. As well as preventing every Ukrainian male between the ages of 18 and 60 from leaving the country.
:yea:
That stuff predates him. He wasn't president until 2019. He didn't dismantle it, obviously, but he didn't oversee its rise.
They aren't that fixed in the sense the specific candidate is literally predetermined. The systems are just designed in a way that they only offer bourgeois options.
he gave guns out to civilians, and then on top of it directly incited violence by saying Russian saboteurs are everywhere
Revealed: ‘anti-oligarch’ Ukrainian president’s offshore connections
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy
From the new YouGov poll:
Which of the following do you think best describes Russia?
Communist: 42% Socialist: 13% Capitalist: 11% Something else: 17% Not sure: 17%
Western education for ya
Seeing tweets about how epic based Ukranians are tying up people in public and labeling them as "looters" and everyone is just going fucking wild about how good they think this is.
Telling someone that Azov are state sponsored nazis requires 20 citations, is still untrue because Zelensky is Jewish and the nazis lost the election, and even if its true you cant care about it because that benefits Putin, yet random vigilante justice requires no fucking evidence at all that the victims arent just literally random innocents, all because its the epic Ukranians doing it.
dude it's so depressing being non white in the USA and realizing just how DEEP white supremacy is ingrained into the whole fabric of Western™ society
I think something a lot of people who are from outside the USA or live in whiter parts of the country miss that is also extremely depressing: this place colonizes minorities that are born here. Like, I'm hoping the topic of the African and Indian refugees in Ukraine doesn't pop up on the news (it won't) because I know my family is going to say something extremely racist.
I used to not think race was a big deal but as I've grown older and interacted with more people I realize how much being non white disadvantages you and I almost felt like I was crazy because of how racism is less overt these days but no bruh a huge amount of people in this country white or nonwhite are racist/white supremacist as fuck
Pretty sure they've been taking lots of notes the last 30 or so years.
Disagree, the independent variable is "are we allied with them," not "are they white." Just refer back to demonization of "The Hun" in WWI, baying for Russian (white in America) blood, "This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan" against the (white) USSR, etc. Of course we're not going to root for Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and other countries we and our allies are bombing.
A propaganda system will consistently portray people abused in enemy states as worthy victims, whereas those treated with equal or greater severity by its own government or clients will be unworthy. The evidence of worth may be read from the extent and character of attention and indignation. We will show in this chapter that the U.S. mass media’s practical definitions of worth are political in the extreme and fit well the expectations of a propaganda model. While this differential treatment occurs on a large scale, the media, intellectuals, and public are able to remain unconscious of the fact and maintain a high moral and self-righteous tone. This is evidence of an extremely effective propaganda system.
- Manufacturing Consent
NASA put out a statement the other day saying astronauts are "continuing to work together as normal" in a spirit of cooperation kind of way. I'm the long term, who the hell knows.
I mean, wasn't Clinton calling for an anti-russian no fly zone in Syria during her campaign? Trump could have already saved us from WW3.
I just saw someone quote the NATO website to prove NATO expansion isn't a threat to non-NATO countries holy shit lmao
Also might bea switchboard operator with a "let's go Brandon" bumper sticker on their truck
Amazing how bazinga brain redditors flying over to Ukraine to fight alongside neo-nazis is cool and wholesome but me being depressed and missing my mom is bad and I'm the piece of shit for it. Also I'm a double piece of shit because I'm a communist. Someone please get me out of this country. Get me the hell away from the anglosphere.
The destruction of Azov is literally one of the only good things that can come out of this war.
I only want like 2 things from the Russian Army: Kill Azov then go coup Putin
Is it liberalism to wish every single one of them a slow and painful death?
This war is some crazy shit, even my fucking obscure ass cell phone company is in on the propaganda blitz. WTF
"Free long distance calls to Ukraine!
Ukranda Forever"wtf man I was like 6-7 when Iraq was kicking off was that shit this fucking insane
also there has been war in this general region for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS and noooone gave a FUCK until now
If anyone sang the Ukrainian anthem they would be accused of being Russian and attacked
People, State of the Union stuff doesn't belong in the megathread unless it's about Russia-Ukraine.
I'd rather hear as little about Biden as possible.
I am posting here tonight to say that despite foreign incursions, the state of the megathread remains strong.
