I'm very aware of groups like the Azov Batallion and Right Sektor and a few others. But isn't it also true that the Azov Batallion is only a tiny portion of their military and the far right ultranationalist groups don't hold any seats in their government?
I don't think anyones denying Ukraine has nazis. But the US and pretty much every other country also has nazis.
Is there something I'm missing with Ukraine? Again, the raw numbers just don't seem that major.
Please show me even one openly Nazi battlion supported and legitimized by the US military or government. The very fact that there's so many open fascists in the Ukranian forces - enough that even mainstream lib media seems to have trouble finding photos of soldiers without obvious insignias or symbols - is proof that they operate under the auspices of the Ukranian government.
"They don't hold any seats" doesn't hold any water. Why elect nazis when your government already supports them?
Edit: to say nothing about the extremely well documented, very unambiguous history of Ukrainian fascism since WW2. Please don't pretend this is some lefty hysteria.
They have a national holiday for a fascist too, Banderites are a huge part of Ukrainian fascism too it's not just Azov.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps_Scout_Sniper
Got it right here. SS logo and everything. But you're right, it's not really a battalion strength formation. But I bet the Marines have a couple of battalions worth of fascists spread out through the organization, not counting the entire officer corps.
True, but if you do that you have to count all the fascists spread throughout the Ukrainian military as well.
Imagine if the US "dealt with" the KKK problem by absorbing them into the US military. "There, no more KKK."
That is pretty much what Ukraine did with a Nazi paramilitary group.
Imagine if the US “dealt with” the KKK problem by absorbing them into the US military.
US be like :side-eye-1: :side-eye-2:
Naw, they absorbed the KKK into the local police departments mostly, with the better educated ones joining the FBI.
I dunno, the Air Force is pretty much a Christian Reconstructionist sect now.
Imo "denazification" isn't a good reason to invade because it's just going to drive people towards the nationalists, but it's hard to deny the numbers. A lot of Ukrainians are sympathetic to their history of Nazi collaboration under the guise of nationalism and have adopted right wing revisionism on the war that scarred their country. Inevitably these fascists will form the vanguard of Ukrainian resistance to whatever terms Russia might impose on Ukraine and they will be the ones armed and trained by America. A large segment of the Ukrainian population will follow them.
48% of Ukrainians agree that World War II was an outcome of a conspiracy between Hitler and Stalin to divide spheres of influence in Europe according to the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. 29% do not agree with such statement, and 23% are undecided.
:what-the-hell:
The Nazis in Ukraine aren't a majority, or even a huge portion of the population. But they exercise a disproportionate influence over the government by forming what is essentially a state within the state, which is what Azov battalion and various other groups are. These groups have been able to sabotage any attempt at the Ukrainian government moderating towards Russia.
Don't think about it as "some individual soldiers" are Nazis. Think about an entire, not squad (~10 soldiers), not platoon (~4 squads), not company, (~4 platoons) but a whole battalion (~4 companies). Now think about how there are something four or five other military units with their own crypto-fash Nazi insignia and fashy tendencies. Now think about how some of those units actively are used in training new recruits (so if a young soldier was on the fence about being fash, now they've got an entire school to push them into it). Now think about how Ukraine, as a nation, made a guy who worked with the WW2 Nazis doing war crimes a national hero specifically for the war crime work he did with the WW2 Nazis. Then specifically having the Azov battalion be used when areas on the border with Russia were agitating for their own autonomy from Ukrain, as a military group of Nazis with some historical bones to pick with Russians and pro-Russian Ukrainians.
For me, all of this stuff has helped to make it jell in my brain that there might be a Nazi problem.
Only two countries have repeatedly voted against the UN resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazis. One is the US, the other is Ukraine
From what I've seen, all indications seem to point to yes. Is everyone a nazi? No. Is the government all nazis? Also no. That said, I think the general tolerance for nazis is far too high and they're definitely a real problem.
Ukraine seems pretty mask off and proud about it's neo-nazis. I'd imagine the USA probably has the same amount but they just wear the mask to not scare normies. There's a reason why the USA and NATO by extension likes Ukraine so much.
Nah American Nazis are mask off. I mean, they don't call themselves Nazis, for the most part, they just do Nazi shit, like trying to make being trans a felony crime and/or punishable by social death.
Ukraine has open, avowed Nazis in official positions in it's government and military.
That's unnacceptable. Doesn't matter if it's a million Nazis or one Nazi. Nazis don't get to participate in society, or, ideally, in breathing.
But don't worry your head. If you're on this website then you have no political power what so ever so there's nothing you can do about it.
Some of the donation links going around were going straight to the nazis, which is definitely worth stamping out.
God damn this is one of the worst posts I've read on this site so far second to the time some libs posted about how it's ok to work for weapons manufactures cause you gotta get that bag. Serious question have you been watching hasan on twitch?
From 2014 to 2018 Svoboda, a far right party was on government. I'd say it's pretty serious.
