:shocked-pikachu:
it makes perfect sense, never destroy the thing that you can constantly blame to divert attention from yourself
They don't see a connection between these things because they literally conceive of politics as a manifestation of personal virtue. If you've fallen to sin you get the punishment you deserve, and also every political problem is the result of sinful people. Therefore you resolve all political problems by punishing sin to deter sinning.
Conservatives, like republican voters not the politicians and donors who are making money off of these things, have a dog brained Hamurabi-ass view of the law that it's a list of things that are good and things that are bad. Arguing with them makes it feel like ur going nuts because u run into this every five seconds, like the Patrick wallet même.
depending on how heretical you want to be the bible instructs one how to perform an abortion, and when to do it. It's kind of a thing that Christians like to ignore though of course.
It's in the OT, right? Its annoying "own them with logic" shit, but Sam Seder said that some group should try to bring a first amendment case against anti-abortion laws since it's permitted under Jewish law.
Watch Judeo-Christian values magically turn into Christian values
Judeo-Christian is already kinda :yikes: to begin with. I mean, apart from the fact that it is a dogwhistle for "not muslim". originally the term judeo-christians referred to jews who had converted to christianity, often under direct threat of violence or at least a strong societal pressure to stop being jewish. it is deeply linked to christian antisemitism (which is often referred to as anti-judaism to highlight that it is "grounded in religion instead of race science", but that's already a liberal form of whitewashing antisemitism as long as it comes from catholics). So when conservative pundits talk about judeo-christian values, they implicitly mean "a society were jews are dominated by christians and everybody else can fuck right off", basically spain after the reconquista, inquisition and all.
It’s in the OT, right?
That means the fundies can pretend it doesn't exist. I think their "mid map" of the bible goes like this...
- Genesis
- Moses
- The Ten Commandments
- Jesus
Numbers 5:11-31
Here's the text from the New International Version
The Test for an Unfaithful Wife
11 Then the LORD said to Moses,
12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him
13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act),
14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure—
15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
16 “ ‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD.
17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.
18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.
19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.
20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—
21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.
22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” “ ‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
23 “ ‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water.
24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her.
25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar.
26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water.
27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.
28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
29 “ ‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband,
30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the LORD and is to apply this entire law to her.
31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’ ”
It's... not great...
Assuming priests didn't used to have magic powers then this is basically just a guaranteed way to get the wife off the hook and the guy to shut the fuck up lmao
Wait so if a husband suspects cheating he has his wife drink miscarriage juice? Like a plan B that doesnt work until you're in the second trimester or showing or w/e? Thats fucking weiirrrddd my guy
Ehhhh, that's pretty common throughout OT texts. That and parallelism are pretty common literary devices in the bible.
It would be great if in a movie somebody quoted the book of Numbers...
" 'On the fifth day of the sixth month Zachariah had seen that 11 of his sheep were—' "
"Get to the fucking point. Oh my god."
Numbers was clearly written by accountants who had nothing to do because business accounting firms only existed thousands of years into the future. So they took up God fanfic.
the bible doesn't say bshit about most of this shit but the thing is most people don't read the bible, and most Americans don't read
Catholics have a book with extra garbage rules called the Catechism. For them that's where you get the details like "no sex without the possiblity of procreation"
every sperm that's wasted makes god irate, though, there is no winning strategy catholic god is mad as hell at anybody bustin' nuts
they spent the whole budget on that dance nu-
🎶 Hindu, Taoist, Mormon spill theirs just anywhere
SLANDER, NON WHO WEAR THE TEMPLE GARBS WOULD EVEN THINK OF SUCH TRANSGRESSION
You’re not allowed to cum anywhere except inside the vagina
As someone who went to Catholic school I can confirm this is true. BJs are allowed but only as for play
half the states about to ban everything have already banned oral sex under sodomy laws
LAND OF THE FREE
Most of that is interpretation after the fact.
You’re not allowed to cum anywhere except inside the vagina
I think that's in reference to the story of Onan. Current rhetoric is that this was God saying no to masturbation or sex for anything that couldn't make a baby. But the story in the bible is something like: Onan's brother was killed, God ordered Onan to immediately go to his dead brother's widow and knock her up, Onan tries but instead of following through on the order he pulls out (can't remember if Onan gets to explain why) and spills his seed on the ground, God gets angry at Onan and punishes him for not following through on a pretty fucked up order.
God, please keep your weird incest breeding fetish to yourself I’m begging
The NPC meme is beyond stale, but I'm gonna use it anyway. There are surprisingly few "player-characters" who are aware that "ideology" is a thing, and can actually understand the bounds of it. Most liberal people (Americans particularly) view themselves and "ideology-free" and are totally at the whims of it in a way they don't understand (as is obvious in this case).
ppl will tell you that the NPC meme is reactionary and that everyone has just as complex internal lives going on as you and reasons for their reactionary beliefs and and and.....
as someone who's done organizing (PARTICULARLY union organizing is enlightening on this,) i can tell you they absolutely do not. most ppl are following their state programming and (quite violently sometimes) shooting down anything that gives them cognitive dissonance about it. they have Emotions, mainly fear, and obviously peoples emotions are like Valid or whatever, but the idea that their thought processes are as comprehensive or they practice as much self-crit as a leftist is hilarious.
"Men and Women rarely admit their fear of freedom openly, however, tending to rather camouflage it -- sometimes unconsciously --by presenting themselves as defenders of freedom. They give their doubts and misgivings a profound air of sobriety, as benefiting custodians of freedom. But they confuse freedom with the maintenance of the status quo; so if [revolutionary cirricula] threatens to place that status quo in question, it thereby seems to constitute a threat to freedom itself."
Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed
most ppl are following their state programming and (quite violently sometimes) shooting down anything that gives them cognitive dissonance about it
This is why I think I get such strong reactions from people I know who don't care that much about politics and even less about foreign policy when topics like Xinjiang or the DPRK come up and I try and explain what's really going on there. The US government has pumped out enough propaganda about those topics that if you accept that you are not being told the truth, it just creates a cascade of cognitive dissonance. If the US government openly lies about this stuff (and it's the entirety of the bureaucracy + both political parties), then what that implies is scary for most Americans.
The propaganda is a necessary component, but honestly I think the main ingredient is just chauvinism. Every baby leftist who talks shit about the US loves to do the "but it's worse over there in China/North Korea/whatever" dance because deep down people don't want to believe that they live in the evil empire, especially with the implications about where their livelihoods and everything they enjoy come from.
yeah i mean read the book i quoted if u wanna see it talked abt morr articulately its a great read but yeah its a Real Thing for sure
Pedagogy of the Oppressed is one of the best books I've ever read.
Framing this as something that's inherent to how people behave rather than something that's programmed into them is very elitist.
i literally called it state programming don't read bad faith into other ppl's experience leftist challenge
No. Most Americans have blithering incoherent personal politics that amounts to reacting to whatever they last saw on the internet or TV that triggered this anxiety/grievance or another.
Culture War politics is the ultimate evolution of this chronic American condition. You vote to spite Your Enemy and don't care who your allies are, but you also have no actual idea what Your Enemy stands for because they've been devolved into a comical, cartoonist stereotype in your brain, because you exist on a daily basis submerged in a totalitarian propaganda and cultural landscape of your own choosing.
Even abortion itself is a bit of a MacGuffin for conservatives. Deep down, they don't actually care about a fetus. They just know getting abortion banned is the ultimate "own" against all the people they don't like.
They slept through the evangelicals completely owning the republican party
Hey guys, I was just noticing, we’ve got these poisonous snakes ready to strike plastered on everything we own, and don’t get me wrong they’re super cool, but… are we the baddies?
