Tweet they responded to because they went private real fast https://mobile.twitter.com/bigsnugga/status/1606616544078970880
Some of their responces https://web.archive.org/web/20221225165155/twitter.com/bintalshamsa/status/1606822941727096833
What's that Parenti quote aboht the baby-talk silliness you get into when you talk without Marx and without class analysis?
Some Irish lumpenproletariat participated in the British Army. Then you had the British aristocrats born in Ireland who called themselves Irish, of whom O'Connell said "If they were born in a stable, doesn't make them horses"
But under class analysis, the British ruling class drove it all.
Curious, where would I best start if I wanted to read some :connolly-shining: ?
Not the same person you reference, I know, but figured I'd ask since I'm here.
Anything-but-class analysts. Or as I like to call them - fucking morons.
British aristocrats born in Ireland who called themselves Irish, of whom O’Connell said “If they were born in a stable, doesn’t make them horses”
Unfun fact, fascists appropriated this talking point and repurposed it to support blood-and-soil nationalism
Poppy is native to Turkey, not China, so the Opium Wars were an act of Chinese imperialist aggression against Great Britain and France
How many job offers from Radio Free Asia have you received for this post?
There are people who will view this tweet and say that it’s proof the left is just as bad as Abbot for sending migrants to freeze to death in DC
Couldn't they use basically the same logic to justify any of the atrocities of the British Empire because they had colonized collaborators in every colony? This isn't to say the Irish were treated as poorly as many of the other colonial subjects, but one of the key strategies of colonialism has always been exploiting existing conflicts in colonized regions or even regions within the empire.
you could use this logic to say the Kaw and Osage people were engaging in colonialism when the white Kansas settlers were stealing their livestock, since horses aren't native to North America
Aw shit I didn't know the teamsters were colonialist
This is your brain on revanchism. While the concept of generational trauma and justice is useful to right historical wrongs, and many times you can't make positive change without breaking a few eggs in minecraft, thinking that death and suffering are "earned", or that they're actually a good thing when they happen to people because they benefitted (and in the case of the irish that is a very loose fit) from exploitation is just moving away from justice onto barbarism.
That's true. My point was not to argue whether the Irish as a people benefited/still benefit from colonial structures though, my point was that preventable, massive loss of life is not "earned" or desirable in any case.
Sometimes lives will be made forfeit in the defense of class position, and unfortunate choices will have to be made then for the purpose of the revolution, but to me, a principled leftist should fight to prevent mass death and suffering whenever possible, otherwise we're just killing people for a kick.
The Irish potato famine did barely nothing to advance anticolonial struggles, so to say it was deserved/necessary from an anticolonial standpoint is not only wrong, it's unnecessarily cruel.
Obvious wrecker, I'm more worried about the upbear than the comment honestly
I mean after they took the first potato and planted it in ireland all the colonialism involved stopped. You can't appropriate a species of plant
I'm so tired. Just shut up.
Actually no fuck that, I'm angry. You know who starved in the potato famine? Irish people. In Ireland. Where the famine was. Not Irish people who enlisted in the American army, where the Irish famine was not. Those Irish people joined the American army, and emigrated to Canada, Australia, new Zealand and other British colonies to escape the active oppression, poverty and genocide occuring in Ireland by the British for pretty much the entire 19th century.
This is what happens when you have no material understanding of the world. This is what happens when Christian values about the world being split into good and bad people, and bad people deserving to suffer, permeate your culture. Insufferable shitlibs justify genocide based on fucking ethnic lines.
I'm sure the Chocktaw nation sent money to the Irish people during the famine because the Irish were colonizers and not because the actions of the English towards the Irish during the famine reminded them of the colonial violence they had been subjected to
imperialism is when you use foreign seeds and the more foreign seeds you use the more imperialist you are
White people coming out with takes like this has always been wild to me. I feel like the implication in the post is always "I am aware of this, and therefore I am the exception".
Lol I remember this person. Love that their takes have only gotten more... interesting.... as time's gone by.
Same. I remember her making some really dumbshit comment but can't recall exactly what. To the archives!
Can't think of anything to type that won't get me :gulaged: for adventurism. So I'm going to leave my comment at that.
