There are hundreds of QTs from Nazis talking about how they were the smartest kids ever but the damn (((education system))) hampered them, and anyone who doesn't believe that they're hyper geniuses is simply a seething lib.
You're supposed to get over the "I was a gifted kid" stuff by the time you're 20.
full agree. trying to do a PhD really humbled me in a lot of ways.
that is to say that a PhD doesn't automatically make you smart, there are so many dumb and vile people who get PhDs but there are also some crazy smart people who do too.
Interesting that their solution is never to make the school teach them at a higher education level or to make schools better funded and managed. Almost like they aren't actually smart. Smart people tend to want to learn. Actual smart can also get frustrated with schools, but more so because schools are underfunded, teachers are underpaid and don't receive adequate training, and schools are made to churn out workers, rather than proclaiming there is nothing that they can be taught.
Although smart people don't tend to believe outdated race science either so I guess that's pretty self-explanatory
I had a kid in my class in high school who was actually smart. Do you know what happened? The teacher started giving her university-level work and she got to get credit for higher education at a younger age. She became a pilot.
She never was like "Man, I'm so smart that I don't need to learn. I should be out of school and being an entrepreneur or some shit."
90% of these "I'm too smart." people are just small business tyrants that want kids leaving school early so they can get some cheap, easily exploited labor
yeah i wanted advanced courses that weren't available to me and now i'm a burnout who thinks we should require some general education hours for all adults every year for your entire life.
Yeah, honestly I think we try to cram too much education on people in too short a time. Gotta get them in the workforce fast I suppose
massive structural reforms aside, i actually think we don't educate enough. Things like the western tradition of summer vacation cost a couple student-years in a k-12 scheme from the first and several weeks of every school year getting wasted.
Oh yeah, you hit the nail on the head here.
I like to think of myself as a smart guy, and my cousin is practically a genius. We grew up in a similar situations: a suburb in the rural ass boonies. The k-12 schooling was terrible, and almost had a "we're incompetent and proud of it" mentality. Superintendent made assloads and our rural school was falling apart. At least some of the teachers were real gems, and I loved to chat with my teachers about this cool thing I learned or I think X connects to Y. As for my cousin, she still regularly visits teachers she likes and as a smart person, she keeps an open mind. She NEVER brags about how she knows everything, and then scoffs at anything that contradicts her worldview as wrong, because she knows everything.
All in all, it made me feel written off because I wasn't lucky enough to be born in a nice part of a major city. If my cousin and I are intelligent, then both of us are being written off for being "rednecks". Same goes for kids in redlined parts of major cities, some of them can be really intelligent but are being suppressed because of racist school funding policies, which ironically, hurt a lot of white people that it intends to "help".
Oof, as someone who grew up poor, I feel you. People will tell you to stay in your lane and it hurts not having the same support and opportunities afforded to people from wealthy backgrounds/areas. Fuck classism, fuck it hard.
one of my steps baby steps towards marxism was learning about the Prussian school model of education while trying to understand why US public schools were just so terrible at teaching anyone to actually think
Not necesarily. I think al ghazali was xomplaining how his students were in it only for the prestige and employmen oportunities and not for the knoledge or religiosity. And it reminded me of engeneering students.
But i dont remember were he said that.
don't really know what you're saying here, it was just the focus on making people into factory workers via instilling of obedience and compliance with mundane and repetitive tasks that gave me a sense of 'manufacturing consent' via schooling etc
I think the repetitive tasks has to do more woth the fact that when prestige is atached to education. Going through the proses of repetitive tasks is meore eficient. So most students will do that. Even if your teacher is a great philosofer and is complaining about it.
Sure taylorism does not help. But ultimatley its about education as the means of reproducing a calss structure.
ya, I'm pretty sure I found out about it via a libertarian charter school supporter, so I see what you are getting at
luckily my sense of humanism at the time kept me from doing the 'schooling eugenics turn' that this was likely trying to frame up
Although smart people don’t tend to believe outdated race science either so I guess that’s pretty self-explanatory
Conventionally intelligent people are actually more likely to believe race science because they’re more likely to have fringe beliefs in general. Turns out being good at manipulating logic makes you good at deluding yourself, too.
I know this wasn’t the point of your post, which I agree with in general. Just a common way for us to slip into the mindset that rationality is a trait rather than a skill which needs to be consciously used.
social indoctrination is also a category of 'intelligence', someone who knows all the rules and how to work within them, who acts properly, is 'intelligent' but inside a racist evil society like ours the corollary is they're also racist
For me I just wanted out of school asap. Anything that would make me graduate a year early is what I did. Felt like a huge torture facility and I wanted OUT
The funny thing is, what they call "gifted" is just someone with a really efficient data storage and recall system. I was a "gifted" kid, always 98/99th percentile on every standardized test I took, but when it comes to things like synthesis of knowledge and generating new ideas, the truly creative stuff, I'm average at best. The educational system needs a new definition of gifted, new ways to identify those people and new modes of engagement to help them develop their gifts. That new definition still wouldn't include these guys, though, who believe they're gifted because they see through (((the conspiracy))). Bro, you've got narcissistic personality disorder, sit down and shut up.
I was a “gifted” kid, always 98/99th percentile on every standardized test I took, but when it comes to things like synthesis of knowledge and generating new ideas
Same. Read me a text then give me a multiple-choice test and I'll get every question right.
Read me a text then ask me what I learned, what it could be a metaphor for, what other texts express similar ideas? Uhhhhhhh
Same here, incredible data storage/recall and incredible pattern-matching skills, absolute trash executive functioning and an inability to do anything that I'm not deeply interested in
Yep, it me. My first degree is in sociology and that's only because it interested me in my late teens/early 20s, so those are the classes I landed in because all my advisor really cared about was keeping me eligible for sportsball. If you need inspiration for the future, I went back to school in my 40s and absolutely nailed a bunch of STEM courses with a 3.9 GPA.
educational system needs a new definition of gifted
im pretty sure the whole idea was conceived to subdivide educational funds into competing programs to fight over ever-decreasing scraps instead of collectively figuring out why there's no fucking money
kids particularly good at something just take a higher level course in that subject there's absolutely no reason for anything beyond that except what grifters and evil neoliberals foisted on schools to squeeze the last few cents out
I can't remember Jack shit personally but if you put a square and a bunch of holes in front of me I'll figure it out eventually :very-smart:
I don't know how adults can't self-reflect and see that what they thought when they were a teenager is ridiculous. Do they have any contact with highschoolers? Do they not speak to highschoolers and think to themselves "god I hope I wasn't this annoying as a kid" and then realise that they were exactly the same?
I have no idea how they don't realise this.
I found this out in my early 20s by being in the local punk scene. I was like "by God these kids are idiots" and then had the realization that I was just as dumb back in the day. The only big difference between my 16 year old self and these kids was wardrobe because fashions change.
I think the internet has merged adults and kids to a level that makes it impossible to tell the difference at times, which doesn't help.
I've been on TikTok recently trying to acclimatise and prepare for making a go of pushing stuff on there. It has struck me that it solves the problem of both age and gender not being visible online, although it also comes with the downside being a loss of anonymity.
Yeah at a certain point I just stopped going to house shows because I always felt like the creepy old person.
White supremacists: "We should separate out school courses by pure academic merit!"
White supremacists, when those merit-based courses are majority Asian: "Noooooooo not like that!"
Here's a fun fact. White supremacists actually invented Affirmative Action to exclude Jews.. Hmmmm, perhaps WASPs are not the master race methinks? :thinkin-lenin:
4chan prides itself in being as offensive as possible, but I definitely think that their magnum opus is that history's biggest group of nepo babies wants to lecture the rest of us on meritocracy. If meritocracy was a thing, they would be whining that da jooz stole their rightful place as leader.
4chan prides itself on being as offensive as possible
Not allowed to make fun of white dudes though.
This is true, I've gotten banned dozens of times for doing so.
White supremacists, when those merit-based courses are majority Asian: “Noooooooo not like that!”
I don’t think this is true. From what I’ve seen they’re fine with Asian academic dominance. It’s just black people they don’t like.
I knew at least a dozen of these exact guys in high school and they weren't actually that smart in any way lol. As an adult I realized that one of them in particular behaved really weirdly towards me since I always did better than him at stuff (and was regarded as "smarter" by my peers) while simultaneously being a girl
behaved really weirdly towards me since I always did better than him at stuff (and was regarded as “smarter” by my peers) while simultaneously being a girl
one of my core memories of high school was talking to my first girlfriend one day, eventually getting to talk about one of our friends that i knew had a crush on her from before we started to date and he was exactly this guy, she told me "every time i got a good grade he would say something mean, it was as if he would rather me fail than be better than him, eventually i just stopped showing him my grades at all and it is a bit frustrating that when he sees that you got a better grade than him he is so impressed and nice to you"
"i was smarter than all my teachers" i doubt it my dude, like being able to do your fractions and multiplication is not that impressive, like your teachers could show you some fucked up advanced math thing on their class, but the point of the class is to teach you like they are not teaching you the whole of their knowledge, they are teaching you what you are expected to learn at the grade so when on the next one this knowledge is needed as basis of more complicated stuff, also if you really were gifted they would have allowed to skip stuff wouldn't they? like there is a kid that is got their physics degree at 13 years old, why didn't that happen for mr smart guy here
if you really were gifted they would have allowed to skip stuff wouldn’t they
that's a genuinely terrible system though. it robs children of their childhood to just rush them through the education system that fast. If they're bored in class let them read university level books by all means but a 13 year old shouldn't be at university
i am not defending putting kids in university it is just that if he was that gifted and didn't wan't to go to highschool they could figure something out, my point being he is not that gifted, i actually agree there is a lot of social learning that you do at school and not being able to do is bad, same thing with home teaching actually, like other than the "people who do it are doing it because they think school is woke now" one of the main things i dislike about it is not learning how to socialize and deal with people who are not your familly
I think schools are natural as a key loci of socialisation for kids it's the place we send them for most of the time they aren't home.
other activities being available would also be good though
We werent allowed to skip grades where i was. Every years batch of nerds kinda just sat around bored
it rarely happens, like the kid i mentioned is an exception but like IF YOU ARE SMARTER THAN ALL YOUR TEACHERS i would imagine you could do it right, like i was really good at math, my teachers would praise me constantly and i was bored at class but i am not exceptional i am just good at math, i don't pretend to be a prodigy online like the dummy here
I mean theres a massive gap between smart enough to skip a grade comfortably and genuinely being smarter than a teacher. For these students theyd gey an independant learning plan stating how the curriculum would be changed to accomodate their abilities. The ieps where copy pasted boilerplate (we compared them) and the changes were either nothing, or extra busy work. We were explicitly prevented from veering into any material from later years
Being in advanced classes in middle school does not a gifted child make
The mathematics of 30% of 10-year-olds being smarter than all teachers they will ever have are just fascinating.
It's extra funny when you consider that most 10 year olds are juuuust starting to develop basic critical thinking and formal logic skills.
Yeah, and considering how many students each teacher has over their career, any single teacher having any of those skills will mean that potentially hundreds of people were not smarter than all their teachers from 4th grade onwards. Fact is, I think you have to pretty much outright ban everyone mentally fit to take care of themselves from teaching in order for this to be true.
....he thinks he was smarter than his teachers when he was in 4th grade? :hahaha:
Who were his teachers? Future conservative politicians?
Just because your political awareness stopped growing at 13 doesnt mean you were done growing up.
Two types of reactionaries:
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Popular kids in high school that want to spend the rest of their lives "bullying the nerds", and relive their glory days. Two examples would be Andrew Tate and Bronze Age Pervert.
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People who were bullied by group one, but they want to get revenge on "the delinquents" that made their life hell, and they see their tormentors in minority groups/women (those gays are not stopping even though the rules told them to stop, they're wrongdoers!), or at least spend their adulthoods living out their fantasies of being the jock. This is a good handful of 4chan, and they'll happily admit this too.
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You’re supposed to get over the “I was a gifted kid” stuff by the time you’re 20.
Turns out I wasn’t gifted. I was just autistic and all the adults in my life liked to ascribe my failures to my autism, but were uncomfortable ascribing my successes to it. So I got called “gifted” and then judged when I couldn’t stay “gifted” because my support needs were explicitly made impossible to meet by a school system not designed for me.
Honestly, I’m sure a lot of the original post was just Smart Guy Syndrome, but there is indeed a good portion of the online Nazi/incel community that’s just white autistic men redirecting the alienation caused by living with ableism. I feel like a lot of the autistic community doesn’t wanna claim those dudes but like… they exist. It’s not helping anyone to ignore how ableism plays into their alienation and how white supremacy and patriarchy incentivize them to internalize the self hatred and make lashing out a part of their worldview.
Gifted programs are like designed to give children ego problems, telling us we're special and getting more difficult work when in practice its mostly the exact same work and only existed to keep us from skewing the averages.
Whenever we get that post fordist education that does away with the triple duty learning/daycare/ socialization area, i want to see the education match the capabilities of the child without the baggage of being gifted or special needs.
