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  • CrimsonSage [any]
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    2 years ago

    It upsets me greatly the number if comments, not necessarily here, that are just like "lol he doesn't mean it! Hes saying it for his base!" "LOL he will never be able to do it!" Like yes he can and he will... he is just as much a stupid hog as his followers. People need to stop pretending these is secretly an adult behind the Republicans, they are exactly the clown fascists they appear to be.

    Like its really not comforting to see nominal allies not taking our extermination seriously.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      He's going to do it (and so is DeSatan). It will be red meat for his base and democrats will secretly love it, having an issue to fundraise about without really giving a shit about the outcome.

      Trans and LGBT comrades should get organised, arm themselves and begin making escape plans

      • Commander_Data [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        We should all be forming cadres and making plans to fight back and develop underground railroads.

      • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Already have an escape plan in motion. Not only am I queer, but I am Jewish too so my ass should have started this a long time ago. Other than this site, I'm just going to keep my head down and fake being as :frothingfash: as I can until I'm safe.

        I decided I'm going to be a lib and unironically try to find refuge in :kkkanada:. Not the best, but at least it would be the easiest move and Canada has some really good LGBT laws. We may have lost the culture wars in the states, but it's not over yet in Canada. However, I an not ruling out taking the plunge and fucking off to Ireland. It's not a settler-colonial state, it's completely out of both fourteen eyes and NATO, and the Irish people voted in gay marriage via a popular vote.

        EDIT: I forgot to mention that Toronto is majority foreign-born, so I can find strength in numbers from People's Party hogs. That, and any non-American country has the advantage of hiding leftism behind Patriotism. Whenever someone suggests doing something fascist or lolbertarian, just respond "what are we, a bunch of Americans?"

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The NYT did stories about Hitler where they said he was just pandering to his base

    • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      The main reason Trump does this is that DeSantis is already halfway there as governor of Florida and that Trump has to one-up him. He absolutely is serious about this because all red states are moving into that direction at full speed. That means that even before the primaries have started, trans genocide is the Republican consensus, which means Democrats are almost guaranteed to be completely unwilling to push back against this.

    • Commander_Data [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      I don't think they realize democrats are virtually guaranteed to lose the senate in 2024.

    • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      "Hitler is just using antisemitism to appeal to his base, it is not genuine"

      -The New York Times, 1922

    • FunnyUsername [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Declaring that I will ban all black people from going outside their houses but it's not that bad because that's not what i actually think I just say it because memaws and papas like it

      • CrimsonSage [any]
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        2 years ago

        Yes and no, there are tons of normies who have no animus toward us that think this is just a joke. Yeah we never relied upon them for anything, but its still distressing.

    • Goblinmancer [any]
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      2 years ago

      Nazis didnt rise into power without the help of a bunch of opportunists who are okay with fascism as long as they kill communists and help capitalism stay alive.

    • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      “lol he doesn’t mean it! Hes saying it for his base!” “LOL he will never be able to do it!”

      Isn't this what people were saying about his Muslim ban and border wall back in 2015?

    • AHopeOnceMore [he/him]B
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      2 years ago

      It doesn't really matter whether he means it so long as it is popular enough with the right people. And these things are guaranteed to be coming down the pipeline. Trump is hardly alone in this, he isn't even a leading figure in transphobic policy (yet). Desantis would so the same things, just more effectively, and there are hundreds of Desantises ready to be given power by the usual mechanisms. Trans people are a central focus of reaction and we will not be able to take the heat off of that without crushing reaction itself, which requires, and has always required, ground-up radical organizing (that liberals will then try to recuperate).

  • RION [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    What a time to be questioning your gender 🙃

    • happyandhappy [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      better late than never :cat-trans:

      oh god this doesnt sound great in this context

    • silent_water [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      the day I realized I had to transition, I woke up from a dream in which I had and was happy. waking up into my (then) normal life was devastating. so I went on reddit to distract myself and that day of all days was when news of the Trump EOs directing the federal government to hurt trans people while the administration was quoted, promising genocide, had hit the top of all the trans subs. I bawled for a bit and I was a mess for a few months but I transitioned and my dream came true.

      ignore the news if you need to. if it's very important, you'll hear it even if you're trying to avoid it.

  • Goblinmancer [any]
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    2 years ago

    Why did Western right wing decided to go full Hitler against trans people?

      • Azarova [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        Absolutely maddening that while being taught about the book burnings in middle school and high school that they conveniently gloss over what the contents of the first book burning were and where they came from other than "literature the Nazi's didn't like". I was several years into my transition before I learned about the Institute für Sexualwissenschaft.

        • Goblinmancer [any]
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          2 years ago

          Found it frustating too when teachers/book talk about communism bad because it arrest dissidents/political opponents, but never talk exactly what are those dissidents/political opponents beliefs are.

          • VILenin [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Well, saying "I want Nazis to be able to do whatever the fuck they want" isn't as easy to swallow

        • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          It's like that with most of our education system

          They teach us about the book The Jungle yet they never assign it to our reading lists, curious isn't it?

          They teach us about Helen Keller when she was a child but never about her socialist activism as an adult

          They teach us the sanitized version of the civil rights movement where Martin Luther King "had a dream" and Rosa Parks sat on a bus but never about Dr. King's more radical anti-war stance or his downright socialist stance on poverty that let to the Poor People's March let alone about the Black Panthers

          • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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            2 years ago

            They teach us about the book The Jungle yet they never assign it to our reading lists, curious isn’t it?

            I did always think that was fucking bizarre when I was in school

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        And not just any old studies of trans people but the entire fucking archive of Berlin's institute of sexology, the first institution of its kind, that they shut down after taking power in 1933. Decades of scientific work was lost.

        The institute didn't just research human sexuality, including gay, transgender and intersex studies, they also provided education and treatment on topics like alcoholism, veneral diseases, sexual counselling and contraception to professionals and the general public.

        And look at this gem that I found on Wikipedia when reading about the institute:

        The West German courts found that the foundation's dissolution and the seizure of property by the Nazis in 1934 was legal. The West German legislature also retained the Nazi amendments to Paragraph 175, making it impossible for surviving gay men to claim restitution for the destroyed cultural center.

        Germany must perish. :germany-cool:

  • Phish [he/him, any]
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    2 years ago

    I hope people were right that hyper-focusing on children's genitals is part of what lost republicans ground in the mid-terms, because they are leaning into it very hard and the severity of their language is increasing quite a bit. It's terrifying.

    • DoubleShot [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I do think anyone who isn't an Evangelical, Mormon, TradCath, etc is moving in that direction, I'm cautiously optimistic. It's one of those issues that a lot of people don't have a lot of direct experience with. But I think most normal humans capable of empathy will see some videos on YouTube of the struggles that trans kids go through and realize they're not down with the GOP's trajectory on this.

      I do think this notion of trying to ban adults from gender affirming care has gained some steam in recent months among reactionaries. That I know will be super unpopular with most Americans.

      • Phish [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah banning adults from gender affirming care does seem like a place many people will draw their line. I also wonder if a lot of the reactionary side of this is mostly from very online people who follow like libs of tik tok and Jordan Peterson and get all worked up about some bullshit they post. If your average, run of the mill republican voter isn't following that shit, videos like this probably sound pretty deranged.

        • Azarova [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          I also wonder if a lot of the reactionary side of this is mostly from very online people

          Virulent transphobia gets a lot of air time on Fox News and the like, so I'm not as confident about that.

        • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Have you seen the school boards implementing the anti-crt and transphobia recently? We shall see, but I'm not quite as optimistic

  • Upanotherday [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Maybe the most fucked thing he has publicly said. What is saying a lot.

    :fuckin-deserve:

      • GaveUp [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        I think him mocking a mentally disabled person is probably worse still just because it has a visual grotesqueness to it on top of the vile words

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah people don't seem remember the part where Trump literally said it's possible that no Mexicans can be good people.

      • DoubleShot [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        That speech, by the way, is what propelled him to being a kind of fringe candidate in the primaries to the top of the pack. Says a lot about the GOP base.

        Polls included Trump before that announcement, everyone knew he was going to run. And he wasn't polling all that well. I know candidates get a small bump when the make the formal announcement but the only explanation for the immediate, huge bump he got was that GOP voters really liked that speech.

      • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Never forget the media, DNC, and :hillgasm: deliberately propped :trump-moist: on purpose, as strategy so she wouldn't need to conceed one iota to :punished-bernie:

        For all the shit that Trump and now DeSatan has I blame Clinton more. She put them into play.

        Playing extestenial chicken with the world was the most reckless thing one could do. Then Clinton basically told the Democrats to [look the other way on the attacks on transgenders. (https://archive.is/h430m) --- cw transphobia / archived redstate

    • mittens [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      He is, but also this is perfectly in line with the rest of the GOP

  • TawnyFroggy [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    The absolute brainworms of even modestly far left people over how "this could never happen" is almost as depressing as it being this close to happening. I have friends in Australia, including a romantic interest, but I don't know how to get them to understand that I need to get out of here like RIGHT NOW or I'm probably either going to be murdered or driven to suicide within 3 or 4 years.

    Like yeah, I would love to schedule a visit when we both have a lot of time off and make sure we're compatible and take it slow like a normal relationship, but I don't know how to make him understand this is not a luxury that I have. I need you to let me marry you and move NOW or I need to find someone else who will.

    • AtomicBeans [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      The absolute brainworms of even modestly far left people over how “this could never happen” is almost as depressing as it being this close to happening.

      I remember when Roe V Wade being overrturned "could never happen" and "wasn't a priority" in the senate. :yea:

    • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Are you under 30? There is a "Working holiday" visa that is 1 year and you can get it extended for a second year. Its pretty cheap gives you plenty of time to fall in love. Its how I came over here. Heads up though Australian culture is decades behind on domestic violence. The number of women I've met who had/have physically abusive partners in really high.

      Also Australia is pretty conservative on many other issues. Politics are even more "2 parties that are the same" Plenty of terfs and religious nut jobs.

      • TawnyFroggy [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        I'm slightly over 30 unfortunately. I know Australia isn't some perfect haven, but its at least not at America levels yet.

    • Pixel_Juicer [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      There are other ways. A partner visa will be 8000 AUD without an immigration agent. There are state based visas that direct your study into skills shortage list. Either way start saving. You don't have to get married either. I chose to sign up for a "significant relationship" to waive the 12month living together requirement. It's what people did before gay marriage existed.

      • Pixel_Juicer [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        Even though you are in different countries if you are serious about emigrating to Australia, you need to start building digital evidence of a relationship existing.

        • TawnyFroggy [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Luckily we have like a decade of chat logs so hopefully that works. I have genuinely known him and been close for about 15 years.

      • TawnyFroggy [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        I have the money, luckily. (For now!) It looks like processing time is years? I can't tell if you can live in Aus while the visa is processing, but if not I need to get on it ASAP.

        • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          For Canada anyway, you get to stay while your TR (temporary residence permit like a study permit or a visitor record) is being processed so long as you have legal and valid entry and a prior valid TR permit.

          American citizens do not need a TR to enter Canada for up to 6 months. Also, by quirk of history, Americans do not need a valid passport to enter Canada legally (you just need to prove citizenship which for most people, they do with a passport you can do it with a birth certificate). If you plan on staying for more than 6 months, you can apply for a TR but if they reject you are expected to leave right away or maybe you have to do a flagpole (where you just cross the border back for 1 day) I can't remember. You cannot work or study legally (except ESL stuff) without a TR.

          You can apply for refugee status but you might be rejected as the US is considered a safe country- some Harper era stuff, they might not care anymore. Chances are low though.

        • Pixel_Juicer [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          There is an offshore marriage visa where you wait to be approved then travel to Australia to get married. Other option is to arrive on a tourist visa and then get 'married/registered' and apply for a partner visa (don't say this on arrival or entry will be denied). The only need to do marry/ register is to avoid the 12 month living together arrangement. I was told by an agent that the most important thing is the letter/statement form family/friends saying how great your relationship is and detailing engagements as a couple. You need at least 2 or your application is invalid and will be rejected.

          • TawnyFroggy [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            was told by an agent that the most important thing is the letter/statement form family/friends saying how great your relationship is and detailing engagements as a couple.

            That's good to know thanks. I know (and am friends with as well) a lot of his real life friends so that shouldn't be a problem!

          • Pixel_Juicer [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Looking back the process was relatively easy but hugely stressful at the time. After applying you will have full work and health rights but no social security. Also your partner has to not have any DV history. Took me 2 years but I hear times have blown out. After full partner visa is approved you can break up but still stay in the country and start process to citizenship. Only saying because ours was a bumpy ride to get there and your partner can end the process at any time (for non abusive reasons). There are some protections against partners using the visa as amanipulative tool.

  • ComRed2 [any]
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    2 years ago

    So the party who is aggressively anti-government, wants to use the government to tell people what they're allowed and not allowed to do. Did I get that right?

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Fascists are completely outcome-driven. They will have whatever ideals and principles that happens to justify their own supremacy. If they don't want to pay taxes today they will be principled small-government libertarians, if they hate trans people tomorrow they want to have mandatory genital inspections.

      They will change their deeply felt principles the very moment it becomes more opportune, they will hold mutually contradictory beliefs and be fine. That is also why civilised liberal debate with fascists is completely pointless. It's disingenuous bullshit all the way through.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      2 years ago

      the conservative premise is that there are some the law should protect and not bind, and some the law should bind and not protect.

    • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Right-wingers have no beliefs except being pro-hierarchy. Everything else is just fluff to achieve a society where they are above you, they can do whatever they want and you have to do as they say. They can say they want "small government" and then turn around and legislate entire groups of people out of existence without even blinking because nothing they say out loud actually matters. They don't believe in words, or reason, or truth.

    • AHopeOnceMore [he/him]B
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      2 years ago

      I think this is useful rhetoric to target at liberals, absolutely. The hypocrisy angle.

      I do think that amongst ourselves, we should also recognize that this is how liberal bourgeois class rhetoric has always worked: an embrace of "freedom" that is limited to casting off the bounds of things like feudalism or amorphous governments "telling you what to do", but in fact forces of domination persist and are reinforced by capitalism. Another relevant trope that has been used for ages is to recast oppression as defense, a way to justify and empower the forces of reaction that can't be swayed (yet) by outright hatred. Every progressive cause in the US has been reacted to as an unfair attack on traditional moral values, this is known to be good PR at this point. Slavery, women's suffrage, workers' rights, (partial) civil rights for black people, gay rights, trans rights. The inconsistency was and is always there. None of these things imposed limits on the American public's "personal freedoms". And yet there they were, successfully building campaigns of reaction premisrf on the idea that two people from different races marrying was, in fact, a violence done against you, personally.

      Underneath it all, these are just flimsy excuses, mechanisms to hide the monstrosity of the reaction underneath it all. Regardless of when the proponents are cognizant of it, the effect is the same: marginalization of those targeted and cover for the ruling class factions to take action againsy the marginalized. And destruction and fear when they gain ground.

      The harder question is what we do about it, irl, to protect ourselves and each other, and in the US that largely depends on where you live. In liberal cities, we need to be joining and working with orgs that materially protect trans people, including trans kids, by providing them with housing, food, school, and travel away from dangerous situations. In more explicitly reactionary areas I'd like comrades to understand that they can do the same thing but will be takinh on significant risk, so i don't want to push anyone in that direction without them understanding that.

    • Catradora__Stalinism [comrade/them,she/her]
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      2 years ago

      We are going to die

      and I'm mostly mad that its going to happen because im trans, not because Im a fucking communist

      LIKE COME ON, AT LEAST GIVE ME THE DIGNITY OF A POLITICAL ASSASSINATION

        • Catradora__Stalinism [comrade/them,she/her]
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          Well you're smarter than me lol! An exit plan is probably something I desperately need to work on. Cheers to this new world of imaginable horrors :left-unity-2:

        • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          I really need to start thinking about how I can contribute to an underground railway-type organization. Canada may not be that much better than the states, but I don't think our anti-trans rhetoric has reached American levels yet

          • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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            Personally I'm planning a trip to Thailand in an attempt to start a business mostly for that purpose

            They recently legalized cannabis and I have experience in the industry so I could probably make it at least relatively successful given the favorable exchange rate and thus the low cost of entry, the only challenge is finding a local business partner because foreigners can't own land there

            Thai culture is mostly accepting of trans people and the only thing anyone needs to stay longer than 2 months is employment which I hope I can provide to any who need a place to go

            Don't get me wrong, when I say "employment" that's just so comrades can stay legally, I don't intend to make anyone work unless they really want a job

            I genuinely hope I'm not too late