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  • Quizzes [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    "Nuclear war is preferable to Russian victory in Ukraine"

    Remember how up until about two years ago nuclear war was pretty much the one thing that all of us agreed on? From Hoxhaites all the way to the Proud Boys, nobody wanted a nuclear war, and definitely nobody wanted to die in one.

    But now? These takes are, holy shit, common. What sorcery did they unleash on them to make them turn around like this?

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      • Fishroot [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        "What sorcery did they unleash on them to make them turn around like this?''

        I read an article about how an institution during cold war asked a group who studied STEMS and the humanities and ask what you've do if you have the nuclear arsenal. Most of the STEMSlords managed to annihilate the world multiple times because it is just logical to nuke the enemy in a first strike to destroy the second strike capabilities (this line of thinking made it into reagan era btw). The humanities department manage to prevent MAD

        Reddit is full of Rational (tm) and pseud-stemslord. go figure

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          • Fishroot [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            it's almost like get politics out of ''''''''non political''''''' issues managed to create a bunch of psychopaths that see people as datas on a spread.

            It's funny how at my work, the non political people can talk about certain issues with horrid consequences and the response you get is ''oh it's 10% affected''

      • Quizzes [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        We had the internet before 2022, and it didn't make anyone go pro-nuclear war.

        • ssjmarx [he/him]
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          I'll never forget a certain "man on the street" interview that was done during the War on Terror, where they found a surprisingly high number of people who said we should just indiscriminately nuke the Middle East. I think American nuclear bloodthirst is as old as American nukes, and the only thing that's prevented us from nuking anyone since 1945 has been realpolitik.

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        • barrbaric [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          True, but we also weren't in a proxy war with a nuclear power.

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      People in the western imperial core are increasingly aware, even if they'd never admit it, that their grip on the world is slipping. When the Soviet Union collapsed in the 90s, liberals thought they'd won. They thought that they'd become the eternal masters of the world, that they'd get to use the global south countries as sources of raw materials and slave labor forever. For a while, it seemed like they were right, but that sun is setting. China grows more powerful by the day and global south nations flock to it as plans are drawn up for alternatives to the petrodollar. The West's failures in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria show that it is increasingly unable to bend the Global South to its will, while at home, its infrastructure crumbles and its economy lurches from crisis to crisis.

      And this terrifies and enrages western liberals. Many of these people are young enough to have no memory of the Cold War. They have literally never experienced a time when the entire world didn't bow to them. Their attitude is summed up fantastically by a quote from Richard Spencer when he got caught on hot mic following the alt-right's failure at Charlottesville:

      CW: Racism

      "My ancestors fucking enslaved those little pieces of fucking shit. I rule the fucking world. Those pieces of fucking shit get ruled by people like me. They look up and see a face like mine looking down at them. That’s how the fucking world works."

      It's not hard to see why this made headlines. It's shockingly, grotesquely racist and colonialist. It's also, underneath their veneer of civility, exactly what western liberals believe. It was easy for them to keep that mask up when they were winning everywhere all the time, but the more defeats they suffer, the more it will slip.

      • HornyOnMain
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        2 years ago

        good post

        also thanks for making me somehow feel even more revulsion for richard spencer than i already did

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Remember how up until about two years ago nuclear war was pretty much the one thing that all of us agreed on? From Hoxhaites all the way to the Proud Boys, nobody wanted a nuclear war, and definitely nobody wanted to die in one.

      This is Possadist erasure!

    • coeliacmccarthy [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Covid era made us devalue the lives of others and our own lives + power structure stoking jingoism = actually it'd be fine to die in nuclear hellfire

    • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      What sorcery did they unleash on them to make them turn around like this?

      All it takes is a simple scratch

  • Tervell [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    are we seriously comfortable facing a future where we let our every move be dictated by a petulant manchild

    that's already the world we live in, it's just that the petulant manchild is the fucking West

  • WeedReference420 [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Wild that liberals are now so mask off they're actively hoping for nuclear war and doing full blown race science about Russians having authoritarianism lobes and shit

  • FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    What kind of premium :brainworms: does it take to endorse nuclear war as an acceptable method and cost to preserve the status quo?

    Not to get all :alex-aware: but is there a concerted effort to get people comfortable with use of nukes or something? That shit used to be simply unthinkable, now it seems like the mainstream :reddit-logo: position :doomer:

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I've often heard westoids talk about how Putin is a nuclear threat because "If he can't rule the world, he'll destroy it, he'd rather kill everyone and everything than lose."

      It's always projection.

    • iridaniotter [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Copium + younger generation. Maybe we need a 1980s style scare about nukes again. Ughhh

        • WeedReference420 [he/him, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament supporting British primary school teachers in the '80s on their way to give their students PTSD by showing them Threads on school time: :swole-doge: :lady-doge: :swole-doge: :swole-doge: :lady-doge: :lady-doge:

          But fr you're right, when it comes to understanding the truly civilisation ending implications of nuclear war I think some degree of scared straight does the trick.

        • Weedian [he/him]
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          I just watched this for the first time a few days ago and it was probably the most horrifying thing I’ve ever seen. The whole time I was thinking “this is too real”

      • Quizzes [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Remember when the Greens led Germany on a massive anti-nuke protest when Reagan visited? They made a human chain hundreds of miles long. It was something that all of Germany agreed on. American nuclear missiles needed to be withdrawn, immediately.

  • jackmarxist [any]
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    2 years ago

    Westerners have completely lost their shit as soon as a white country is affected by war.

  • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Googling with double quotes used to be fantastic. Now it's iffy because Google became a bit like Youtube - sometimes it ignores the double quotes and gives you other results to help you.

    "petulant manchild I'd"

    There are 1.1k comments. But it's in there somewhere...

    If I was a Russian nuclear strategist today, I would be very worried. You just received proof of concept that Western air and missile defenses can intercept 100% of your tactical nuclear delivery vehicles (SRBM, BM, aircraft) in a time-coordinated, multi-vector attack. : UkrainianConflict

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      just a complete lack of critical thinking. these people would cite Baghdad Bob if it helped them

    • Wildgrapes [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      This is maybe the most deranged cope theeads I've ever seen. Holy hell.

      • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Call me very old-fashioned but when it comes to nuclear war I think... "The only way to win is not to play."

        • Wildgrapes [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          100%. Worst invention man ever made.

          As if that wasn't enough they're also so sure NATO is perfect and infallible and Russia is stupid and full of dumb dumbs. And our good righteous Wunderwaffen are amazing and sci Fi level beauties. The Russian hypersonics and such meanwhile are stupid toys held together by duct tape.

          Anyway that's why Russia is slowly slowly slowly taking more territory. Because NATO weapons are so good. March to moscow incoming.

          • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Whenever libs talk about nukes I like to remind them how they fuck up generations of people. Even if you are at war with a dude and blow him up with a nuke are you really comfortable with his grandchildren being born deformed? Psychopath shit.

    • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      If Western intelligence believed we could 100% intercept Russian nukes, NATO would've already declared war.

      • jackmarxist [any]
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        2 years ago

        Well the western intelligence Is not as intelligent as Random_redditor_665272 who is a pro in fallout.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      If I was a Russian nuclear strategist today, I would be very worried. You just received proof of concept that Western air and missile defenses can intercept 100% of your tactical nuclear delivery vehicles (SRBM, BM, aircraft) in a time-coordinated, multi-vector attack. : UkrainianConflict

      If I was a NATO nuclear strategist today, I'd be very worried. If Western air and missile defenses could feasibly intercept 100% of Russia's tactical nuclear delivery systems, then Russia has every incentive to use strategic nuclear delivery systems instead.

      • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        So many people really don't understand the vital difference between tactical nuclear weapons that are essentially battlefield weapons and strategic weapons. Once strategic weapons start flying it's the arcade game Missile Command in earnest. It's World War III.

  • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    :sicko-yes:

    Everything is proceeding as I have forseen.

    Eat the nuke, liberal. End this world. It will be free, but in a way you will truly hate.

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Free to scrounge for the least-irradiated food from the remains of the "breadbasket of Europe", maybe. This is that hidden, underlying fascist death drive bubbling to the surface of the liberal worldview.

    Fucking assholes stomach the destruction of the middle east and write it off with "our bad" (or worse) but god forbid the white European, Lviv Pogrom celebrating government get shit on, because that's cause enough to make at least two countries into Fallout games.

  • GrumpigPoopBalls [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    why are these people so fucking stupid? i genuinely can't look at reddit anymore outside of magic/nintendo/fromsoft subreddits because it just makes me so frustrated to see the NAFO brainworms seep into literally everything

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Even if they didn't have a functioning nuclear arsenal, do they want a conventional war with Russia? Do they want to occupy Russia? Russia is a massive landmass with over twice the population of Iraq and Syria combined. Do we really want to spend the next century dealing with the Russian equivalent of ISIS? Hell, in a power vaccuum the "useless" Russian nuclear arsenal will now be in the hands of thousands of non-state actors who are all pissed off at the west.

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      "We can defeat Russia, all we have to do is get to Moscow, how hard can it be?"

      Napoleon Hitler Your average redditor.

      • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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        Poland-Lithuania and the Mongol Golden Horde, though. Not that I disagree with your main point.

        (Granted, Russia post-Tsardom is a vastly different beast)

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    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      I'd be happy to eat a nuke

      But the text is so irradiated that its blinding to the reader.

  • flowernet [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Even in this ludicrous fantasy where 95% of Russia's nukes don't work, it's still not meaningful unless you also assume there is no way for them to check which 5% of their arsenal is working, and presumably those warheads are deployed for the most lethal systems they have.

    You also have to concede that Russia has reduced their nuclear stockpile by like 50% in the last decade. do you assume they decommissioned their best nukes or their worst nukes?