Also how do we not have any Kissinger emojis
I hate Kissinger. I've told this story before so I apologize for being a broken record but my aunt is Cambodian and only survived the Khmer Rouge because her father starved himself to death so she could eat. She was liberated by the Vietnamese. She used to pray she could have children but because of that malnutrition as a girl she was permanently infertile. It's amazing how sweet she is despite that incredible degree of trauma. So my hatred of Kissinger is kinda personal.
Tankie's favorite
challenge this moron to cite a single example in the entire universe of a "tankie" endorsing Kissinger
In a certain respect, he does have very capable analysis of a number of subjects, he's just also a monster and a butcher and one of the world-historic figures most deserving of actually, literally going to hell and being tortured forever. There's a reason his book on China is a best-seller in China.
ok, but no "tankie" or socialist anywhere has ever claimed to admire him. lol
I think it's only because Kissinger was one of the architects of modern China-US diplomacy. Kissinger is regarded with a weirdly high amount of praise in China currently, but that praise seems to be limited to his advocacy for the Chinese-American relationship. I don't know how the average Chinese person feels about his role in the Vietnam war or Cambodia.
However, among English speaking Marxists Kissinger is regarded as Satan himself, so yeah I have no idea who among 'tankies' is endorsing him. All I ever see is hope that he'll die soon, and hopefully it is soon inshallah
at this point I've gone from hoping he dies to hoping he lives for another ten years and sees his entire life project destroyed as the US get checked into the fucking boards by China
https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/gjhdq_665435/3376_665447/3432_664920/3435_664926/201911/t20191126_590854.html
I remember some people here got upset at Xi for doing this lol
If Hexbear tried to run a socialist nation it'd immediately fail
I remember that one time people also got mad at the Vietnamese diplomat who met with some French ambassadors and they ate a thousand dollar steak or something. Or that other time Xi Jinping met with an Israeli ambassador to discuss some trade deal.
I'm just neutral about it. Governing a country means you sometimes have to meet with all the rancid pieces of shit who run other countries, I guess.
the whole job of a diplomat is to meet with foreign ambassadors
if I was put in charge of a country I would immediately set about finding someone else to do it
This person is just shadow-boxing a point made like 2 years ago.
Kissinger (and Mearshimer the Chicago poli scientist or whatever his name is) were the ghoul class of people who acknowledged the reality of NATO escalating tension. And the reality of the Maiden Coup.
Kissinger is a ghoul but he's not an idealist like it seems that most libs are. It's similar to how it's worth getting news from the very expensive capitalist papers that high-ranking Wall Street Guys read like WSJ and Bloomberg and The Economist to see the ghoulery first hand, instead of what they want the general public to know in the more accessible bourgeois media.
Nah I read the Financial Times. It's about as "china bad" as any other mainstream outlet.
I woke up after a night of heavy drinking to find that once again, surprise surprise, tankies shit my pants. Typical.
Guys… what is a tankie? My understanding was “anyone to the left of Pete Buttigieg” but Kissinger really does not fit that bill so… what the fuck is a tankie at this point?
A tankie is anything that serves the goals of anticommunism, it changes with the context. It could be an ML, it could be a socdem if they're saying anything remotely anti-imperialist, it could be a liberal saying something that is not establishment narrative.
A tankie is an ill-defined monster that is conjured for the purposes of slandering anything and everything left of western imperialist interests. Invoking the term tankie is an invocation of "do not listen to anything this person says". It is one of the clearest forms of liberal social programming and tactics that calls on liberal audiences to performatively leap to their pre-programmed tankie response programming whenever the word is spoken.
Originally it was a slur for Marxist-Leninists. It has evolved.
it's the kind of guy orwell and the specific subtype of anarchist that worked with Mussolini hated
subtype of anarchist that worked with Mussolini hated
Excuse me?
that was a thing in fascist italy the most anti soviet anarchists organised with the fascists and many took senior positions in Mussolini's government
could you remind me tomorrow because it's 1 am right now and I just don't have the energy to find it right now
It was originally a slur for people who supported the USSR in invading Hungary to put down the coup there in the 50s. Which, like, history has totally fucking vindicated that decision.
Tankies love Russia because Russia = the Soviet Union, so anyone who's pro-Russia is a tankie. This includes anyone who criticizes Ukraine or the war, because being anti-Ukraine is being pro-Russia. Republicans are pro-Russia because the KGB got Trump elected, so they're also basically the same thing as tankies. HoRsEsHoE tHeOrY cOnFiRmEd :maybe-later-honey:
Some Australian no shit told me that the current "division" between the Democrats and the GOP was a genius master plan by the Soviets, who have been quietly sowing division in the US this entire time.
Which, like... jesus christ.
I think it's evolved into "anyone who likes the people we've decided are ontologically evil".
I'm wondering how Kissinger is a tankie though, since he has no love lost for America's enemies. Maybe because he was a significant figure in getting Nixon to visit China in 72?
He argued that the Ukraine war should be resolved through negotiations and not nuclear annihilation of all life on Earth. I guess that’s the standard for evil gomulist red-fash tankie now.
Maybe because he was a significant figure in getting Nixon to visit China in 72?
tankies and their famous love of people organising to destroy the soviet union
Genuinely it's "people who like or even just discourage war with geopolitical enemies of the US"
A tankie is any real or imagined person who likes or who you imagine could possibly like Stalin more than you do yourself.
It doesn't mean anything. Its' a thought terminating cliche that people who think they're on the left use to attack anyone they dislike for any reason, real or imagined. It's mostly just libs screaming.
At this point it's anyone opposed to American foreign policy.
Communists oppose NATO meddling because NATO is evil.
In this one specific case Kissinger opposed the particular meddling NATO was doing for strategic reasons (not moral or ideological reasons) and therefore is identical to a communist who hates and desires the failure of the US government.
Everyone knows you're a tankie when you love Kissinger and the more you love him the more tankie it is
they went to china for cheap labor. They came back with something else.
I don't want to give them too much credit, but this may be a reference to when Kissinger said "This is a bad idea" and we were like "Bro this is a bad idea. Even Kissinger, the most bloodthirsty warmongering murderous villain alive, thinks this is a bad idea" so maybe they're like "ha ha owned tankies now Kissinger thinks it's a good idea!"
Welcome to the Communist International, Comrade Kissinger.
Fuck this is so cursed even as a joke
Anyway in the article he goes more or less: "It's preferable to risk the war escalate by having Ukraine in NATO than Europe defying American hegemony by having an excuse to stop submitting to American hegemony (Ukraine not in NATO + European Weapons deliveries to the country -> Risk Europe goes" You know what? Fuck you, you're on your own. ") and since his worry about Ukraine joining NATO was an escalation with Russia, but it's already here, might as well get the war over with"
It's impressive how evil he still is.
