If you go to lemmy.ml it's just a bunch of fucking redditors with their dogshit memes and like three lemme users. It's sad. I strongly encourage users of this site who are so inclined to take a break from infighting to bully neoliberals over there.
lemmy is experiencing their lifeboat dilemma rn. the unfortunate fact is that when you signal a sinking vessel, you're not gonna only have friends on the boat afterwards. in their case, they signaled towards redditors, and now they have too many redditors on their forum, which has made it very reddit, to no one's surprise. they have, unfortunately, marketed to a non-ideal demographic.
honestly, with federation, I don't really see the need for lifeboatting onto specific pre-established spaces within the fediverse. I don't think it's productive. The point, in my eyes, to carve out a separate space in the network for the lifeboat.
The problem is that space must be created for them to go to, and when someone makes a new space, people then have to choose between a new, empty place, and the place where there are already people.
I think you just need a good mod:newbs ratio and any tools that can support those mods (like quarantining newbs or rate-limiting them, etc).
Not that this is easy, but it is at least a simple and actionable thing.
IMO the way the way the federation should’ve been designed is to use something like
blockchain technologyan extremely slow and energy intensive append-only databasefixed
IMO the way the way the federation should’ve been designed is to tactically dispatch every libertarian techchud freakazoid that even glances towards it
further fixes applied
Yeah, let's have a higher workload and more bickering about moderation!
I almost got involved working on a project like that years ago, but the guy chose to program it in Haskell and I was like :blob-no-thoughts:
Please lemmy admins, invite some of our mods to roflstomp these sickos for you 🙏
I haven't been to any Lemmy sites yet but fuck it ill ban libs all day if they want me to, I don't give a shit about redditors.
I would make Stalin look like a soft liberal in comparison to me playing with a :ban-hammer:
And then I would :ban-hammer: myself for insulting Stalin by inferring I'm better than him at roflstomping libs
That might be harsh. If we just focus on crushing the clear neoliberal propagandists, many of the remainder who badmouthed "tankies" will enculturate.
Embrace @TransComrade69 thought and swing that banhammer with the might of an angry goddess smiting the libs. :ban-hammer:
I feel like if you DMed them they would let you so long as you promise to not go too hard on the potential new recruits.
Forget about the woke mind virus, what about the reddit mind virus and it's incessant need to shit up the internet with it's dogshit takes about china bad and burgerland usa good.
"Noooo, I hate the US too, I just happen to agree with all of its current claims about other countries!"
Jesus there are some ancient meme formats in there. Reddit really is the garbage dump of the internet
They are doing an inter vegan struggle session over witch plant based milk is best using an anime boob template.
What are redditors
They are telling a guy in India to go buy a blender and make their own oat milk :agony-shivering:
https://lemmy.ml/comment/453711
Criticise any NATO supporting neoliberal or neoconservative westerner to the point they stop consenting to genocides and foreign interventions. Stop letting westerners be xenophobic racists against China/Russia. The death of western imperialism is the death of capitalism
How is that downvoted?
They are doing an inter vegan struggle session over witch plant based milk is best using an anime boob template.
:michael-laugh:
It's extremely funny, but sad to see long term users getting crapped on by Reddit brained fools
If I actually went over there and started arguing with those shitlibs I would get banned within the hour. When there's that many of them and they're so smug and confident from years of being pandered to on :reddit-logo:, bullying is the only thing that works.
vegan and china struggle sessions? sound horrible. Glad something like that could never happen here.
We have struggle sessions, but the party line here forms pretty quickly.
not to start the same struggle session here but are there any opinions on which is best? Not just taste-wise, but also regarding environmental impact, cost, things of that nature
Am I the only one who’s been on this website since day one who has no idea what the fuck “federation” with lemmy actually means, lol?
It's not much different and you get adjusted to the change very quickly. Although I don't use federation much on Lemmygrad anymore, we're active enough at this point that I don't need to look at lemmy.ml to find content.
When you see something federated (from another website that reached yours), there's usually a mention in the username that says where that person came from, so you know where you are at all times.
It's like how you can send an email to anyone, even though your email address is registered at @gmail.com, and their email is is at @microsoft.com. So you can log into a different Lemmy instance/website, with your account details from hexbear, provided both websites agree to it/federate with each other.
This is the simplest way I can explain it.
Just fucking log into another site. Posta' close your eyes. Federating's not real hahahaha.
Federation is when the UX is super inconsistent and 90% of the content goes missing after a month, because everybody spins up their own Lemmy or Mastodon instance for personal use and gets bored of maintaining it after a month
ehhhh I think content from federated instances gets saved locally on the sites that federate it too but I'm not certain
Lemmy is a federated service. That means that there are many Lemmy servers and they can all share their content with each other. If you post something on lemmy.ml, all the servers federated to it will be able to see and interact with that post using their account even though it's not on the same server.
And what is supposed to be the benefit of that exactly? If I wanna go onto another site I'll just go there lol.
It helps decentralise the web in an actual way (and not the technobro "everyone should be beholden to a few huge companies but it's okay because they use blockchain"). It works kinda like your phone plan, you can call anyone with a phone number even if you have a contract with AT&T and the person you want to call has a contract with Verizon. If it didn't work like that, you would need a different contract with every provider to call your contacts.
Federation works on open protocols, which means you can also talk to Mastodon profiles directly from your Lemmy account.
Idk, maybe its just cuz I'm a luddite, but that doesn't seem like a great example. Because a contract with another provider requires paying money. Whereas signing up for a website doesn't. So its more like I sign up for one website because I want to talk to people on that website. And now I'll be able to talk to people on another website, which if I had wanted to do I would have just been signed up to it already. Just seems unasked for and annoying tbh. Like we are just going to have a bunch of reddit libs whos content I'm going to see cuz we are federated to them? Why? I don't want to talk to Mastodon profiles?? If I wanted to do that I'd be on Mastodon.
You don't have to see it if you don't want to. You can just show local posts only. The point is if anyone wants to join and interact with a community on another instance, they can, and they can do so without needing 50 accounts. Also, each instance can have their own rules, their own ban lists, etc. which means you can choose your favorite instance with the rules you prefer as your "home instance", but that won't prevent you from talking to people on other instances.
It's the same idea as with email. You can send an email from gmail to yahoo without needing an account on yahoo. This is because gmail's email server can talk to yahoo's email server and share the content.
There are other platforms that are similar, such as Matrix. I run my own Matrix server which only has a space for me and my friends, but I can still join matrix spaces on other servers without needing an account on that server.
That makes these services decentralized. Even if matrix.org goes down forever, I can still use Matrix without an issue, including the rooms that were on matrix.org. If matrix.org creates a rule I don't like, it doesn't apply to me. For example, matrix.org requires an email address for registration. My server doesn't, but I and everyone else registered on my server still has full access to the entire matrix network, including matrix.org.
The benefit is you can have a usable social media site without the centralized control of a reddit or a twitter. the content and users are distributed across many independently run servers. The idea is to have lemmy as a whole, no matter what specific instance you're on, act like one big site like reddit (or even bigger since it can also talk to mastodon), but still enable smaller communities to thrive within that, and make it more democratic because your specific instance can just defederate other instances that refuse to moderate hate speech or whatever.
It's like email, now your account will be
ilyenkov@hexbear.net
You know how you can text your friends a cool link and be like, “check this shit out”? Lemmy has a protocol for different websites to do that with each other automatically. Instead of a person-to-person communication, the communication becomes server-to-server. And what that looks like in effects is that you and I could be having this conversation from separate websites in the future; websites with different focuses or countries or rules. The governance can get complicated, as can the specifics of the protocols used, but the basic effect is that people from different websites can talk to each other, and the websites don’t even have to match. One could be Mastodon (Fediverse Twitter), one could be Peertube (Fediverse YouTube), and one could be Lemmy (Fediverse Reddit). But a peertube video would show up on Lemmy as a post and commenting on it on the Lemmy site would also create a video comment on the Peertube site.
Imagine all the instances are countries and instances that federate are like how travel between EU countries works without special passport stuff. Borders are open between those instances. And if an instance de-federates/blocks from others it's like how Britain left the EU and lost all the perks and now they can't easily travel back and forth.
So let's says you make a lemmy.ml account. Any instance that federated with them you can go to using your same account.
I just see a huge chance to reopen the lib-to-leftist pipeline, except this time, communists control the website :xicko:
Someone on here a few weeks back talked about the origins of the mod "tankie takeover" on Reddit leftist subs, and how there was an organized attempt to push the sub in a more politically radical/less liberal direction, then shunning or banning dissenters, and educating/forging the remaining posters. Perhaps that is what Lemmy is about to experience.
This site is controlled by commies, so yes.
Also the main lemmy devs are all on the left and reference various ML leaders on the reg.
I think there are only two impacts on us that would happen.
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More visibility = more new users = some will be lib. So mods will have a bigger workload for a while.
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We will only federate with a few other instances and what that would usually mean is their users can comment on our posts. e.g. lemmygrad users. They can already do this, of course, by just making an account here. It would just be easier to do and easier to discover this website, meaning even more of 1, essentially.
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I suspect this may be a part of the rational to not just turn all the libs away on lemmy.ml (or maybe I'm just too hopeful). Gain an audience, then teach them they're wrong.
Relevant (even if at tad libby): https://ncase.me/crowds/
Someone with a lemmy account post the full tiananmen square video (where the guy doesn't get ran over) to scare the libs away
Hell, may as well post the video of all the people getting run over by American cops too.
It's great. Dessalines fully intended to have "mainstream" instances for these people, including (but not exclusively) lemmy.ml.
Liberals and such will disperse into their own instances over the next few months. Lemmygrad is fine and commie as always. We exist and will be joining them soon, it's going to be very funny.
Unless nutomic differs or their stance changed in the past two years, they explicitly said lemmy.ml was not one of the mainstream/liberal instances they were encouraging. Source: https://lemmy.ml/post/70280
Sure, but compare to a month ago. It was in the same ballpark as the others, compared to neck-and-neck Lemmygrad and lemmy.ml
https://web.archive.org/web/20230605105000/https://join-lemmy.org/instances
Speaking of which, I have no idea how Hexbear compares. The stats are a bit different and I don't know if it's apples and apples. I don't know Hexbear lore too well but I've heard bans are very common over petty 'struggle sessions' and so account/user stats are pretty inflated.
The point being, are you still a tidal wave that can bully the libs if necessary?
Obviously yes, lol. That's why our subreddits get banned. Our terminally online nature, we just can't stop dunking.
DO YOU SEE THESE ARMS?
:arm-L: :hammer-sickle: :arm-R:
Just look at the upvotes on Hexbear and comment count compared to other instances. It's neck and neck to lemmy.ml currently, but I also expect that many people who left reddit over the API thing will ultimately go back in a month.
It is so bad over there, I got lectured for hours on how a nation has a sovereign right to just leave treaties without consequence, and that a signatory to a treaty isnt a party to it, please send help
Hah, one visitor to lemmygrad (banned there but seemingly still alive on lemmy.ml, I don't know if reports go to both sites...) was literally unable to hold a conversation. And I can hold conversations with literal lolberts and brownsharts so it's not just me complaining about libs, this person was straight up 40 IQ and angry:
I like apples
Wow you support grapefruit? You are a fascist!
I literally don't like grapefruit, they are bitter and squirt at me. I would throw it in a compost bin if I were given one. Why are you talking about grapefruit?
Irrelevant. You're making excuses for grapefruit. I win this argument and you lose because you are weak
I am not exaggerating, this is the level of 'argument'. Thankfully most of the Invader Lib folk haven't been that terrible and mentions of lemmygrad aren't being curbstomped beyond hope just yet.
Oh that's why we received account requests on Lemmygrad lol
If you're going to request an account on Lemmygrad comrades, please answer our vetting questions! We have asked a couple people already to redo their vetting. We don't ask for thorough answers, but we ask that you answer all of them.
Pardon me for adding to your plate. Thank you for your good work! :heart-sickle: :rat-salute:
No problem comrade, we go through all account requests with due diligence :rat-salute-2:
So glad I registered before the whole 'answer questions in order to register" thing was introduced. No offense to lemmygrad, I get that it probably filters out a lot of spam and libs and such, but I really question the lemmy devs sense for user experience, both in UI and structural things like that. They want to remove the captcha entirely in favor of only relying on that.
Wahh! The way that the javascript populates the page with new posts and there being so many more users makes the page seem to jump to me and makes my eyes twitch! I hate XMLHttp request and think it was a mistake.
JavaScript and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
The fact that the creator of node.js made a half hour apology speech at a JavaScript conference 4 years ago is really funny, but also sad
https://youtu.be/M3BM9TB-8yA
I maintain a few web apps as a hobby. Design principle #1 in all of them is "does this work 100% in a default-settings Tor browser?", which means no javascript. It's amazing what one can do with plain old URL query parameters.
I didn't have that issue, guess I just got lucky because I've seen that here on Hexbear and it's annoying.
The devs of Lemmy, who host that instance, are M-Ls with communists as their profile image, but lemmy.ml is only explicitly leftist, and the admins aren't going to drive libs away because their main goal is to become a reddit alternative, not a communist commune. They might cut the fat once other instances are more established... or they could go the way of /r/antiwork. It's hard to guess without asking them.
Relevant:
- The official "What is lemmy.ml" announcement describing their goals and attitude to liberal instances.
- A post from the lemmygrad.ml founder about the current situation
Lemmygrad is ML which is another instance that federates with lemmy.ml. Lemmy.ml is the place with the biggest influx from users from reddit.
It's the top level domain for the country of Mali, but it stands for Marxism-Leninism in our headcanon.
Nope, it is just one domain name that if I remember correctly can be obtained for free. It is commonly used by such projects, both lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml use it.
Is Hexbear's Lemmy testing instance federated with lemmy.ml or lemmygrad? I'd love to show up in official attire
it’s just a bunch of fucking redditors with their dogshit memes and like three lemme users. It’s sad.
Thats just this place too
