"That's not really how it works, mom."
"That's not what my doctor says."
Love visiting with the Parents! 
I have a theory that this stance on immune systems and disease is just thinly veiled eugenics. The discourse has been around for a while but covid makes it more noticeable quite a lot of people hold the stance that having a "strong" immune system is a moral good and having a "weak" immune system is a moral failure. That disease should intentionally be spread purely for the purpose of killing those deemed weak.
In my head I want to eradicate disease, because ain't nobody needing that shit but in their heads they want to eradicate people with weakened immune systems by promoting disease to spread. And it feels like this is actually has been the mainstream way of thinking for a while.
Anyway thats my ramble
Oh another thing did anyone have parents who would intentionally spread chickenpox? Like you could eradicate the disease by idk not intentionally spreading it but it seems to be the norm that the disease is inevitable.
Yeah this is definitely just the bourgeoisie wanting to cull the weak. I also think that anti-masking is coming from liability concerns. If everyone is masking, that means that people are in danger, capital accumulation cannot proceed, and workers will have grounds for lawsuits (at the very least). Any sort of universal policy or program is also a danger to the bourgeoisie, which maximizes profits by atomizing people into individual consumers.
Oh another thing did anyone have parents who would intentionally spread chickenpox
Just one year before the chicken pox vaccine was released, my parents deliberately inoculated me by taking me to play with a sick child in the neighborhood. Thanks for the shingles (if I make it that long) mom and dad!
We so like having a permanent pathogen! I got shingles when I was 14 although my experience fortunately wasn't that bad
my parents deliberately inoculated me by taking me to play with a sick child in the neighborhood.
I grew up thinking that was standard practice. And judging by that time frame, I think I'm younger than you.
For what it's worth, there is some basis for children
developing allergicIt's actually complicated. Looks like the original hypothesis came from a RETVRN perspective about the industrial revolution and hay fever[1][3]. However, even experts in 2016 who have access to data suggest there is immune benefit to going outside[2]. My mind jumps to the idea that aspergillosis is really bad and aspergillus is a pernicious, clinically significant type of fungus. However, it's also ubiquitous and symbiotic in soil. That's a disease you wouldn't focus effort to get rid of as looser, more bleached out soil likely has downstream effects. The same way you wouldn't want to bother trying to rid your microbiome of Clostridioides difficile, an opportunistic pathogen that only goes bad when your immune system is weakened or antibiotics wipe out everything suppressing it. Additionally, there are zoonotic diseases whose reservoirs, and their food webs, wouldn't be keen on eradication.
Before the advent of the varicella vaccine or in its absence, I'm not sure I would be a detractor of the pox party [4]. I think there are fights worth fighting as far as infectious disease go. I'm sure there's a lot of COVID deniers who would watch their tone if their community were overrun by a hemorrhagic fever like the one caused by ebola. But microbiology continues to be funny in the way that it's tricky and complicated. When you came out of this messy world through the womb, you inherited 10 bacterial cells for ever 1 human cell and you wouldn't function properly or feel good without them. I remember when I was working at the adrenachrome factory there was a brief moment where I had to count agar plates. We were talking shop and I stumbled up the work of Dr. Scott Sutton whose website seems to be down [5]. "Ideally you would never see two separate dilutions with counts in the countable range, as the countable ranges cover a ten-fold range of CFU. However, this is microbiology." And I think he sums it up how I feel about it.
[1] Is Staying Home Harming Your Child’s Immune System? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/parenting/children-immunity-staying-home-coronavirus.html
An interesting read from 2020idk I just read until they gave me the studies I was interested in. I'm sure the NYT had a shitty perspective on COVID. This meta-analysis from 2016 they cited has all the data you'd ever want to know and more on the subject[2][2] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1757913916650225
The meta-analysis: Time to abandon the hygiene hypothesis: new perspectives on allergic disease, the human microbiome, infectious disease prevention and the role of targeted hygiene
[3] https://www.bmj.com/content/299/6710/1259
The controversial origin of getting sick for the hell of it
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party
Bonus ragebait
[5] http://www.microbiologynetwork.com/counting-colonies.asp
I think this is the right, broken link
aspergillus is a pernicious, clinically significant type of fungus. However, it's also ubiquitous and symbiotic in soil. That's a disease you wouldn't focus effort to get rid of as looser, more bleached out soil likely has downstream effects. The same way you wouldn't want to bother trying to rid your microbiome of Clostridioides difficile, an opportunistic pathogen that only goes bad when your immune system is weakened
90% of medicine is just managing the sicknesses people get from material inequality
no inequality and people basically don't get sick. Some exceptions but yeaI remember when I was working at the adrenachrome factory
What?
I worked at the adrenochrome factory for a few years doing really important work. I really hated the job so I left. I later got brought on at Langley to monitor leftist forums. It's purportedly why I know a thing or two about science and medicine.
If she's anything like my estranged father, I'm guessing the doctor is some kind of homeopathic quack lol
No, in Florida that's pretty standard for Doctors. Our surgeon general was Anti-Vaxx, after all.
A couple of years ago a local landlord here needed some kind of operation. He was super unhealthy and the doctors here refused to do the operation, saying it was too dangerous. He left our northeastern state and got a doctor in Florida to do the operation instead. And then he died haha.
He wouldn't get appointed by the governor if he wasn't anti-vaxx, though.
True, but you know how libs basically just take a step to the left from republicans on social issues and then call it good? That's very much how things went down for Covid in Florida. Libs won't sneer at you for wearing a mask, but they think there's something wrong with you.
Before I clicked on the thread I thought this might be from a doctor who's worried about successive COVID infections destroying people's immune systems to the point where the only immune system we have left would be masking.
same, except I thought it was a non-doctor person. Doctors don't care about that shit
Deeply unserious how most of the world lives in an alternate false reality tho
I had a cousin's know it all husband throw this in my face when I explained why I still masked at work.
I responded that the Nordic country that implemented no measures and simply let covid rip through them (maybe it was Sweden??) has simply seen more deaths than its European neighbours who did mask and quarantined and such. So the idea of immunity debt by failing to catch a disease isn't really panning out in reality.
Of course now we see people regularly catching covid like 2 or 3 times a year, and every study just keeps getting bleaker about what that's doing to a body with each infection.
I'll take my mask off when I'm dead.
It’s healthier for people not to wear seatbelts and then to get into car crashes at least a few times per year.
more car crashes builds up the body's tolerance to car crashes, this is basic immunology
Humans' increasing resistance to auto collisions is forcing cars to get bigger and deadlier to compensate. Eventually, evolution will force today's SUVs and pickup trucks to become either personal off-track locomotives or crab mechas
My grandma's doctor told her that the covid vaccine was dangerous and that covid wasn't real and was invented by the ruling class to, uh, whatever it is antivax assholes say
and he became a (very) minor antivax celebrity of sorts and went around giving talks about all this
the american medical system is not okay
"I'm concerned about getting vaxxed because it'll make me sterile."
—my nearly 80 year old father
Here's an easy way to check: if you go outside, and touch a bunch of grass and dirt, and develop AIDS-like symptoms, you have a compromised immune system.
This diagnostic can be a fun family activity!
Pretty much everyone who's had covid should consider themselves immunocompromised, comrade. That's why we're experiencing mass immune dysregulation.
"Wearing a mask" and "living your entire life in a clean room" are hardly equivalent risks.
You don't need to be exposed to large viral loads to build immunity, you can actually build immunity with very limited exposure as long as the immune system is activated to some extent. Exposure level determines the severity of the illness, masks allow people to limit their exposure without hermetically sealing them off from all exposure entirely. Less sick, same immune response.
I mean, that is how it works, your immune system needs to be regularly exposed to things to stay active and function properly.
That's the immune system as a muscle myth, comrade. That's really not how it works. Most immunity you gain from one pathogen does not carry over to unrelated pathogens. And much like Covid demonstrates, there are a number of pathogens that do damage to your immune system.
What you need to understand is that millions of doctors out there are like this
being a "professional" in anything is utterly unrelated to reality. Think about how much of a failure Boeing's planes are, and now think about how much stupid shit doctors can get away with because there's no threshold for hard failure
