So, this means Biden could totally just order Trump killed right now and it'd be 100% legal.
Using "I was going to vote for Joe Biden after the immunity ruling, but he refuses to blow up the SC Justices before they overturn gay marriage so I won't" as a reason now lmao
They literally have no excuses anymore. Everything that democratic voters insist that their guy wanted to do but couldn't is 100% doable now. With the power of legal assasination given to the presidency, all that shit would now be possible. That dems won't do it is proof of their lack of interest or conviction in their stated goals
They're too busy hand-wringing that democracy has ended fucking lmao
If their guy did that, I think a lot of them would actually abstain from voting
I encourage Joe Biden to gather all the right wing state governors and every single Republican he can for a grand July 4th celebration with an announcement. Tell them he wants to discuss something with immigration and funding from the federal government... that'll probably get them to show up. Just a big ol' freedom BBQ in and around the Capitol building.
And then he can do the funniest thing in history
Failing that, Biden reenacting the time that Saddam had half of the Iraqi parliament execute the other half as a show of loyalty would be a pretty good bit
Truly, the darkest of Brandons
The fact that SCOTUS did this knowing the democrats won't actually take advantage of this golden opportunuty to consolidate power really says it all
Imagine Matt Miller and Kirby telling the press gaggle that there would be an internal investigation into the alleged drone striking of an ex-president
"It's tough cookies, folks. Look. Donald Trump wasn't a good guy. And hey, I get it, and we're investigating. But you know what? I don't hear any of you talking about what he did on Jan 6. Did you forget? I didn't and President Biden didn't either. It's a tragic thing that his entire extended family is dead. I agree! But let's not forget who he was and what he did. It's real tough, folks. So let the pentagon look into it, and we'll let you know. Alright anymore questions? No more about Trump."
FBI crime statistics, but for President-on-President violence
Misfired hamas missile that came back down and hit mar a Lago. Because it was actually fired from Mar a Lago. Secret hamas base all along.
Actually it was an Orange Dome missile run by the Florida State Guard, time to invade Florida for blowing up a president.
I'm far from knowledgeable on constitutional law, but skimming the linked ruling, it's very vague and seems to basically say that the supreme Court gets to decide if something is constitutional or not. So a united executive branch and judicial branch can do whatever they want with impunity.
They say the president has absolute immunity from criminal persecution "for actions within his conclusive and preclu- sive constitutional authority." And he also has presumptive immunity for "all his official acts." And ofc I'm sure it's up to the supreme to decide what qualifies an an official act, whether the presumptive immunity should be upheld, and whether an action is within the presidents "conclusive and precious I've constitutional authority".
Okay so just kill all the Republican court justices first, appoint new ones and have them rule the act an official one, then drone strike Mar-a-Lago. Simple.
Let's be real. He'll refuse to do anything meaningful with his power, hand over the dictatorship to Trump after losing, and then blame leftists and the youth while Trump removes everybody left of Romney from power.
giving the biden regime the green light to merc trump legally, but they’d rather give him a second term
if he's as bad as they say he is, it's their moral imperative to k*ll him. It's like how you have to off hitler if you have a time machine.
a MORAL IMPERATIVE to KILL someone? Um sweaty killing is always IMMORAL.
Unless the target is brown
I wouldn't vote for Biden just because he droned Trump, but I would laugh very hard so I think he should do it
Listen jack...vote...worst, my sodlier son...I beat medicare, Trump too...Fat.
It’s very hard for me to square that idea that trump is an existential threat who must be stopped by any means necessary, and the notion that Biden is allowed to do anything legally.
Obama murdered a 16-year-old who wasn't even accused of a crime and got away with it, but I guess the rules are different when the victim is Muslim
I tried to explain this to libs back in 2018ish. If Trump is a fascist, why would voting him out do anything? Ya'll are either being hyperbolic, or you're being cowards.
Trump is a fascist, but that is because everyone in the U.S. government follows the logic of fascism, because neoliberalism is just fascism without the campy outfits. He just not a systemic-ending fascist.
The issue is he’s an anti institutionalist corporate oligarch, which in a vacuum is neutral and par for the course, but in this case, one of the few things keeping America from completely coming apart at the seams are the institutions who want to make sure arsenic isn’t in kids’ toothpaste and shit.
So is your bog-standard Republican. All of Trump's initial appointees were bog-standard Republican, and the only got wiggy by the end after everything had been gutted(something btw that Biden hasn't actually done anything to fix in the interim).
The only thing that Trump is bad at is the kayfabe of DC politics.
That’s what P25 aims to fix.
Also there was a ton of brain drain. Competent people don’t want to come back knowing that they might just get fired / made miserable under the next R President, so it’s hard to even fix these institutional problems in 4 years
Then it's never going to happen! If the Democrats aren't ready by now, they will never be ready. There is absolutely no way in this system to guarantee that power doesn't change hands between the parties. Especially after Bush v. Gore, and the latest Supreme Court mandates. The train only goes one way.
anti-institutionalist
Is he? I mean, aesthetically and for his base, he appears that way, but he's a capitalist oligarch.
They will dismantle the administrative state and replace it with a fully kleptocratic one, instead of the hybrid one we have on life support
If Biden gets Trump assassinated by the CIA will it be considered official business?
yeah, the decision says exercises of constitutional authority have immunity. they're /presumed/ to be official acts. so if assassinations are covered by the president, he's free to kill off his political enemies.
the obvious rules based liberal solution to trump is fucking divest presidential powers, instead of giving even more expansive executive
Clearly if we don’t use power it’ll set a precedent of good behavior!
This is why you all need to vote. If we had blue judges in the Supreme Court this would have never happened. As long as you vote we will have democracy back in about 300 years.
My liberal coworkers are coping by "well that's fine because unofficial acts can still be prosecuted"
Yeah I've seen the same take.
Are they really stupid enough to think that Trump (and future Republicans) wouldn't just label everything an official act as a direct consequence?
Edit: I mean he could quite literally go on 5th Avenue now if reelected, declare "I, PRESIDENT TRUMP, AM OFFICIALLY BLOWING IT OUT YOUR ASS" and gun someone down.
good thing the decision doesn't cover that base by saying exercises of constitutional authority are official acts lmao
Ask them if the verdict for those unofficial acts can still be appealed to the Supreme Court lmao
Sorry sweaty whether or not an act is official is a political decision and not subject to review by the courts
I would like to remind everyone that per the scotus the extrajudicial murder of us citizens accused of terrorism is a "political question" not subject to review by the courts.
I know they won't do it, but if Dems had any guts they would just explicitly challenge Marbury v. Madison, and just start ignoring Supreme Court decisions. You know the right wingers would do exactly that if they were in a similar predicament with a 6-3 liberal majority court.
People think that I'm crazy when I say the supreme Court is basically a toddler that adults are pretending has magical powers to not make them cry. It's maddening, ignore the toddler!
sorry i hated learning government in school, i know the president could pack the court but you’re telling me they aren’t even obligated to honor their decisions and ignore them?
The supreme court has no explicit constitutional mechanism or authority to enforce their decisions, so they literally made one up, the idea that when they declare a law unconstitutional it just suddenly stops being a law.
Everyone just goes along with it because the whole country was designed from the ground up to prevent good things and only elect people who want to prevent good things. But there's literally no reason the rest of the government couldn't just go "thanks for your opinion but we don't gaf"
Joker pill is officially outdated, it's time for the Mad Max pill.
What are your wastelander nicknames gonna be?
Harpoon. Because I'm gonna be hunting down the rich like I'm Moby dick
nothing i'm one of those unnamed extras that suffer some really embarrassing demise
I'm gonna be that guy from Mad Max 2 (The Road Warrior for us USians) who spends the majority of the movie held hostage and tied to the front of Lord Humongous' buggy and at the end gets smashed up against the back of Mel Gibson's tanker truck when Mel brake checks Humongous.
Nobody saw this coming
Edit: sleepy Joe should use this precedent to Merc the court
Yea true the most progressive president ever hashtag should probably line up and shoot every conservative politician
I feel morally obligated to vote for whichever third party candidate says they'll take advantage of presidential immunity and drone strike wall street.
Remember when "if the president does it, it's not illegal" was shocking?
this is actually even more sweeping. the decision gives immunity to all exercises of constitutional authority, not just official acts.
exercises of constitutional authority
I don't know what this liberal buzzword means though
if the courts decide it's within the president's constitutional authority (when don't they?), they're always immune from criminal prosecution.
Literally why should the President pay attention to anything the Supreme Court says, then?
Like, why not just say that everything regulatory agencies do also constitutes an official act by the President, so WHOOPS! There goes your dismantling of Chevron, John Roberts. Regulations aren't reviewable by any court now. Fuck you.
Reminds me of that moment in the October Revolution where the people were begging the bolshevik's to take power. The American people want someone to do and act on their behalf and this is what we are saddled with.
Rip the mask off, we are in a fascist state; The elites want fascism. Let's go baby arm up, run guns, sabotage. Die for the revolution, or live in tyranny in a dying and warming world. THERE'S NOTHING TO LOSE.
preaching to the choir i know. My brother is a conspiracy theorist, and I struggle to have the confidence that these lunatics have, the certainty with which they scream and yell about deep states and cabals. So I try to be nuanced. But you try to be nuanced, you try to remain cool headed, and reality is like blaring klaxon horns at you, that the world is on fire. It's so depressing.
brother is a conspiracy theorist, and I struggle to have the confidence that these lunatics
It's more of a lack of confidence, it's a fear response that leads to self-victimization and boatloads of nihilism and depression. This is also a feature of the USian system. They're not lunatics, they're incredibly, incredibly scared but have no theory nor understanding of history to help them.
fund yourself and fund everyone around you
