• mutantIke [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    there’s something distinctly humorous about “abolish gender” and “fuck your pronouns” directly next to eachother

  • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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    Me reading the top left one, as an enby: lol based

    Me continuing reading: oh no oh fuck, it's the "abolish gender because i want to be weird about people's genitals" instead of the "gender for all who want it, none for those who don't" kind, fuck

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      4 years ago

      abolish gender is a radfem thing at this point, honestly. the rest of us are kind of at "abolish gender determinism"

      • MarxistHedonism [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        My first thought when I hear “abolish gender” is “gender is a construct, tear it apart” but I don’t really run in TERF circles.

        • the_river_cass [she/her]
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          yea, it's a construct, but it means something to a lot of people. it's the determinations we make as a society on the basis of gender that suck, not how people feel about themselves.

          • LucyTheBrazen [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            Being transfem in one sentence: "Passing is a harmful social construct, and I can't wait to do it"

            • the_river_cass [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              so "abolish gender" as it's used now in TERF circles means abolish the notion of gender and make "biological sex" supreme. basically, they shifted the language and we're stuck with the consequences of it - as always happens when reactionaries steal our words.

              when I say that we instead should focus on the determinations we make on the basis of sex and gender, I'm saying exactly that we stop pushing our notions of the child's gender onto them (determining their upbringing on fixed categories) and instead allow them to express their gender as they see fit. gendering children is part of how we enforce the binary, part of how we enforce sex-based determinism of gender.

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      4 years ago

      I keep saying this about the actual portion of radfems that TERF was made to refer to (most people getting called TERF now don't meet the original definition).... they have similar goals to trans people and would actually benefit from working with us. But no, they have to be transphobic and in turn make both our and their efforts weaker. :/

      • LucyTheBrazen [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        I mean fuck gender, but I'm not gonna cooperate with someone who thinks I'm just a man pretending to be a woman.

        • Mallow [any,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          I mean some are and there are trans radfems and cis radfems that aren't trans exclusionary. TERFs definitely aren't feminists tho, they're just straight up misogynists and transphobes.

    • LucyTheBrazen [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      https://wildwomynworkshop.com/

      They even have their own bigoted merchstore

      • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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        4 years ago

        Oh my fucking god

        Click to die instantly

        They also have a "Member of TERF" mug, so i'm bookmarking that little handy guy for the next time someone tries to say it's a slur.

      • Parysian [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        They made Angela Davis look like a white woman in blackface, god liberal bougie ass feminists have no taste or awareness.

        https://wildwomynworkshop.com/store/cards/feminist-icons/angela-davis-feminist-icon-greeting-card/

    • LucyTheBrazen [she/her]
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      There is a forced labour side to Gulags, and I'm vehemently anti-prison labour/anti-slave labour.

      Also I do think like 90% of reactionaries out there don't actually have any ideology, and just follow the political moment that promises them better living condition, without reflecting on any underlying ideology.

      • qublic69 [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        reactionaries out there don’t actually have any ideology,

        They are clearly eating from the trashcan all the time. :zizek-fuck:

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Don't worry we won't gulag them we'll just toss them in the sea with the churchill and thatcher statues.

    • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Might want to watch how you use the word "genocide". Killing reactionaries isn't genocide.

  • domhnall [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Is gender abolition some sort of TERF euphemism now? Has it always been and I’m just a sucker?

    • WetAssPossum [they/them,ey/em]
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      Usually yeah. I've seen some agender people advocate for it, but they're going to be a bit biased and usually reconsider their views when talking to non-agender people. I've also seen well meaning cis people get into it. It's also a frequent domain of cis "trans allies".

      I generally don't trust people who call themselves gender abolitionists.

  • Notcontenttobequiet [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Sees £ and continues to wonder why the UK has such a TERF problem. Can someone explain this to me? I feel the US has plenty of transphobia, but TERF phenomenon seems to be largely concentrated in the UK.

    • carlin [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      It's covered pretty well in this online chapter https://redfightback.org/read/transphobia_in_the_left#transphobia-fascism-and-common-sense

      • qublic69 [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Mostly the same answer in this NYT opinion piece: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/opinion/terf-trans-women-britain.html

        In other parts of the world, including America, mass movements in the 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s around the effects of globalization and police brutality have produced long overdue dialogue on race, gender and class, and how they all interact. In Britain, however, the space for this sort of dialogue has been much more limited.
        As a result, middle- and upper-class white feminists have not received the pummeling from black and indigenous feminists that their American counterparts have, and thus, their perspectives retain a credibility and a level of influence in Britain that the Michigan Womyn’s Festival could have only dreamed of.

        Or to put it succinctly, TERFism tends to be fundamentally opposed to intersectionality.

  • ChapoBapo [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    My brain can't even process the type of ideology where all these buttons work together simultaneously

    • domhnall [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I’m in the same boat. I figure it’s just one of those “big tent” merch sites that wants everyone to have something to buy.

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    If I see these badges whatever they're attached to is getting destroyed.