John Brown killed 50 gorillion people after eating up all the grain in Kansas with his big spoon 
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Lmao blaming John Brown for the civil war is both extremely stupid and defending slavery.
Once again, it’s a very lucky coincidence that the “party of personal responsibility” is never personally responsible for anything ever.
They're personally responsible for everything they've done wrong, and it's just so happens that they never do anything wrong. That's how you know they're good people. If they weren't, they'd be punishing themselves.
Reactionary Rule Number One - Never let your own bullets hit you in the face.
It's not too unreasonable and this is an argument that Norm Finkelstein has made when discussing Al Aqsa Flood. Nat Turner's rebellion was an important inspiration for John Brown, then the Harper's Ferry Raid led pretty directly to the initial events of the Civil War. But acting like it's somehow a bad thing that the American Civil War happened is the most liberal ahistorical take on American history ever. What were slaves supposed to do? Vote?
the Harper's Ferry Raid led pretty directly to the initial events of the Civil War
The ambient fear of a national slave revolt was one Confederate leadership was obsessed with, despite the fact that these slave rebellions were extremely rare and never successful. Harper's Ferry was a kind-of 9/11 of its era, because it brought the ahem Sum of All Fears to this sudden realization. And the fact that it fell flat practically overnight didn't matter. It set of a wave of Bad Vibes (by way of mass media) that rocked the Southern States by forcing leaders to acknowledge the degree to which their institution was openly reviled. The governors of the Dixie States revolted under the naive assumption that they could quench the flames of abolitionism by crushing the northern states in a military conflict.
Harper's Ferry became a rallying point for the Republican electoralists. And it likely helped mobilize support for Lincoln as a populist candidate by making the end of slavery look like a thing that was possible. But it didn't cause the Civil War, simply because it was one of the early dominoes to fall. It was merely a symptom of the disease that was slavery. In the same way that 9/11 was Blowback from half a century of American militarism and regime change in the Middle East.
The cause of the Civil War was slavery and all the events leading up to the war were also the result of slavery. It would be more accurate to say that slavery caused The Harper's Ferry Raid than that the Raid caused the War.
What were slaves supposed to do? Vote?
Obviously, they were supposed to earn their freedom by working so hard that slavery went away on its own.
"John Brown's body is rotting in the grave; his soul is marching on!"
People who try to claim the civil war wasn't about slavery are fools or liars. The Union Marching song directly stated that the union army was the sword of an angry god coming down on the slavers in the name of freedom.
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword; His truth is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on.
I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps;
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps, His day is marching on.
I have read His fiery gospel writ in rows of burnished steel!
-"As ye deal with my condemners, so with you My grace shall deal!
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel, " Since God is marching on.
He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment seat;
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him; be jubilant, my feet! Our God is marching on.
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me;
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free! While God is marching on.
People will tell you to your face that the war was about secular economics or some shit. I'm sure the haute boug thought that, but the normal people who volunteered and marched south with guns and uniforms they bought with their own money were on a holy crusade against evil.
I remember singing that song/hymn in church as a kid. Though I think the lyric was changed to "let us live to make men free".
Yeah I guess I was more saying blaming Brown instead of slavers
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been said but the harper's ferry raid was interesting because the second it got on the telegraph wire that it was happening/happened, journalists flocked and the coverage became a huge story, and that as an event/news cycle likely spurred on the civil war in a big way lol.
Like it galvanized radical abolitionists and moderates alike, it spooked the shit out of the southern aristocracy. Both doubled down in response, the conditions for the civil war were laid
it's an interesting cause and effect. It's also nowhere close to the only cause, but it kind of was the straw that broke the camel.
edit: it's kind of weird to think about if it hadn't happened the way it did. What if it hadn't been covered in the same way? What if it was an obscure blip in west virginian history? Would we have gotten the war? would the outcome have been the same? would slavery have ended without the civil war? when? what would the post-emancipation landscape look like?
no good answers, all speculative, but it's weirdly important as an event imo. It gets silo'd off as this sort of separate prelude, but it's kind of way more important than that. John Brown and his sons are literally created martyrs and its weird. it's real weird.
Pretty sure the civil war still would have happened, the contradiction between the southern slaver capitalists and the northern industrial capitalists had sharpened to the point that it could only be resolved by armed conflict.
History should not happen, actually. Everything should remain as it is, and any movement to liberate the oppressed people of the world must do so purely by begging at the feet of their oppressors.
And don’t beg too loudly! We wouldn’t want to disturb the people eating brunch
Unlimited death and destruction on slavers and settlers, the only fault with Nat and John Brown (RIP heroes) is they didn't finish the job
Go back in time and give John Brown some plasma rifles and Tactical Dreadnought armor
Fun in this circumstance being an acronym for Fuckin' Undo Nasty-Slaveowners
Hi John. This is a baneblade. It's what we call a "tank" and the main gun on it shoots bolts of pure heat and light that can carve craters on the moon. Conventiently, you need about twenty guys to crew this thing. Let's start going over the operation manual.
Kind of the idea they had in Darkest of Days where you go back to the Civil War and other historical time periods with future weaponry to fight time terrorists messing with things.
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I wouldn't celebrate Independence Day. It only came after a bloody war and created the most genocidal state in history.
Imagine the last time your group did something good was 150 years ago and you act like that's something to be proud of.
They also neglect to acknowledge why they wanted to end slavery, not the goodness of their hearts, but because they were scared of a slave revolution.
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I mean, you gotta be more specific.
Blaming revolutionaries for reactionaries' responses to their actions inevitably ignores the fact that the reactionaries were already doing and would continue to do the horrible acts in question. 200 people being lynched barely qualifies as an average Tuesday under chattel slavery, but
here acts like it was an unexpected event that could only happen if the slaves dared to demand their freedom at gunpoint.The Nazis would also regularly engage in mass killing of civilians in reprisal for resistance actions in the area. Most people seem to have the good sense not to condemn anti-Fascist militancy though
They absolutely condemn anti-fascist action. They do it in the moment and do what they can to punish the antifascists while also comforting the fascists. After a few decades, however, they will claim they were the antifascists and were the ones fighting for what is right...
what else did the civil war do mr nicholson. what was that war about mr nicholson. what happened after that war mr nicholson
god i want John Brown to stop a moulderin' for five minutes and march on this guy's skull until it's kind of like a squished melon
I mean we did get banned for posting "kill all slavers" in a quarantined sub.
Other way around, The_Donald had been shut down for months by the mods with a pinned post linking to their own site. They banned The_Donald so that they could pretend they were being fair and getting rid of "extremists" on both sides when actually all they were doing was purging the entire left wing from the site
It was definitely part of an intentional, concerted effort to purge
of the growing leftism on the site, with r/cth eing the most threatening example because it was the most popular. Like most social media platforms at the time, reddit was really starting to lock down what was ideologically acceptable. I've commented about it before, most recently here:they banned r/cth because we kept posting John Brown memes
That may have been their excuse to pull the trigger but the reason they banned us was because the sub was becoming very well known, with posts regularly making it to the front page. During a time when reddit was really starting to actively sanitize itself of any actual leftism (for the sake of advertisers, profit, etc. as well as for the sake of becoming the major NATO propaganda hub that it is today) r/cth represented the complete opposite of the direction they were steering the platform. It was quite literally a purge of leftists across the platform and it would have happened whether or not we toed the line by not saying slave owners deserve death anymore or posting John Brown memes. In short, the sub was just starting to get some hints of more mainstream internet attention and there was no way in hell they were going to let that stand.
Edit: fixed the link. But also want to mention that Booty is totally correct about the_donald getting banned as cover, using the "both sides" justification when wiping out anything to the left of Liz Warren stans from the site.
Yep, along with other fairly well-known ones like genzedong, there were a few niche leftists subs I subscribed to that either got banned or quarantined to death within a year of CTH or had a kind of mini mod coup and veered immediately the right. And subs like r/collapse and r/capitalismindecay that may not have been explicitly leftist but were fertile ground for it and had leftie regular posters got usurped and their narrative steered back towards a course that could still fit within the parameters of neoliberal acceptability.
TD had basically banned itself already by that point, they merely formalized it as an excuse to get rid of us
Western Kabuki
Lolol I'm pretty sure I beat these guys at a bar trivia.
What's more amazing was it was nic cage themed. I may have been a very ungracious winner bc they were shilling their pod hard
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