They took my grandpa's slaves!
Cry about it.
Also what kind of a fucking name is Robby Starbuck.
arguing with somebody lenin would have shot
couldnt be me
Death to America
Look at that stupid ass reply
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"My bourgeois slave owner family were working class people, you're a fake communist for not defending them "
I would suggest talking to Cubans in Cuba but I remembered American citizens can't do that
"go talk to cubans in florida"
gee, i wonder if they're biased in any sort of way.
Yes let's go talk to 'Cubans' (are you really Cuban if you haven't lived there in 60 years?) in Florida, who have completely mythologized their actions and suffering at this point.
Also, dude literally has an American flag in the background of his picture, very not serious person
Gusanos, specially Cuban and South Vietnamese, are one of the most entitled people ever. Theres a book written by a lib, called "Cuban Privilege", that talks about how Cubans aren't considered immigrants but rather political refugees, as such they receive a bunch of free stuff from the Federal and State goverments. The author argues that the Cubans don't actually classify as political refugees per UN rules, and that meanwhile actual political refugees from Haiti, El Salvador and Guatemala, get treated like shit. And that this Privilege the Cubans have, could be used on actual refugees and Americans who need welfare. Guasanos got really mad about this, there used to be a blog with a really funny delusional review of this book.
The Castro regime claims that the source of all its failures are U.S. sanctions, but the failures are due to communist central planning that the Castro regime imposed on Cuba in 1959.
Tens of thousands of Cubans have drowned or disappeared in the Florida Straits, trying to reach the freedom of the US. Fidel Castro did not begin blaming Washington for the problems he had created until 1991 when the Soviet Union imploded. This was the year that Havana began campaigning to condemn the U.S. embargo at the United Nations General Assembly.
Earlier this year, Boston University professor Susan Eva Eckstein published “Cuban Privilege: The Making of Immigrant Inequality in America,” a 300-page book that perpetuates the myth that Cubans are a privileged immigrant class. To argue her point, the author implies that the Cuban identity as “refugees” seeking asylum was a mere construct, not a reality. This is an inaccurate assertion that denies the facts of the Cuban experience and callously disregards the historical tragedies caused by Fidel Castro‘s brutal regime.
(are you really Cuban if you haven't lived there in 60 years?
not a good idea to spread, consider how a actully displaced person may feel.
Without going too overboard and also attempting to maintain a general viewpoint that everyone is a human, even the descendants of oppressors:
I would say I agree with what you said, but applied to actually displaced people. Also, it's hard to apply "displaced" to people based solely on nationality (or former-nationality). Cuban is just a nationality, no matter how much people try their hardest to make it an ethnicity unto its own (not saying you're doing this, but it is a commonly done thing.) It's like trying to act like "American" (as in USAian) is an ethnicity. There's a diversity of Cubans (and Cuban Americans) just as there is for USAians.
For example: Palestinian refugees remain Palestinian no matter how many generations go by and they will always be a displaced people unless they're able to return to their land and homes. This also applies to other various indigenous groups such as indigenous/native Americans, indigenous/aboriginal people in Australia, etc.
The key thing there is they are indigenous to the lands they or their family before they were born were forced to flee.
However, say Palestine is legally formed by the UN and the entire land between the river and sea becomes the Palestinian state. Israel is dissolved. All Israelis who choose to stay are given instant citizenship... but some refuse this, declare that the state is illegitimate, etc. and pack their shit and leave. They spend the next 60 years crying endlessly about how Palestinians victimized them. That THEY are somehow the wronged party.
That's a pretty direct comparison to the "fled from Fidel" Cuban-American population. They didn't have to leave. Most of them anyway. They were just reactionary scum that couldn't stomach their slaves and plantations being taken.
Now obviously this is slightly complicated by the fact that the US offered instant green cards and fast tracked citizenship to Cuban "refugees" and due to the endless embargo Cuba did have some times that people felt compelled to flee the island. Not all of them did so because of a deeply held love of capitalism or whatever.
But my point is... why are they displaced? Because of the actions of a mixture of their family, the US government, and maybe personal choice (first generation). Not the fault of Cuba except for the ones fleeing justice... in which case, absolutely fuck them.
Why are Palestinians and other indigenous people displaced? 100% because of the oppressors and their backers. There is no fault to lay on the first generation refugees unlike with Cubans or my hypothetical Israeli refugees.
Is the fault inherited? That doesn't seem fair. So, no. But are they displaced? Were they ever "displaced?" I'd argue a firm... no. I already laid out the caveat for actual economic immigrants (again, caused by the US, but I wouldn't necessarily fault them for not knowing that)
I guess the point is a lot of people aren't displaced and their family wasn't unfairly wronged. Maybe they believe they were. That's fine. But I'm not going to go along with the delusions of some grandkid of a Bay of Pigs veteran and act like their grandfather, them, or anyone in their family was wronged by Cuba. Experiencing justice, as this hypothetical but also very real person experienced, isn't "being wronged." The party who did wrong and faced accountability may feel wronged. But that doesn't mean they were or that we should cater to their bad and wrong opinions of their experiences (or more commonly now days, the experiences of their parents or grandparents). Kinda like if a grandkid of a Nazi complained that the Soviets shot grandpa. "Ok, and?" Yes that probably sucked for his family. Doesn't mean we need to consider the family victims.
I hope this didn't go too crazy, and I'm not saying every Cuban-American is a right wing chud asshole. People should treat people as people. But if someone legitimately believes they were wronged or displaced, I'm not going to just surrender that when there are people who are actually displaced and were and still are being wronged. I'm not going to sympathize the same with the grandkid of a "killed in action" Nazi soldier the same as I would the grandkid of a Holocaust victim. Blame isn't inherited, but the actions of your ancestors does disqualify you from certain claims and certain types of sympathy... from me anyway.
Yeah your right, context matters. It's okay to shit on gusanos. I was a war refugee, and I can't stand westernized people from my country—they're a pain to be around.
oh im fully down with shiting on gusanos im married to the biggest gusano hater of them all, when we last had to go to maimi you could see the viseral disgust roiling off of him the whole time.
tbh the big man was probably a bit too kind to them... can't really fault him for having too much humanity though
oh im fully down with shiting on gusanos im married to the biggest gusano hater of them all
omg I'm so jealous, tom is dreamy
lol no no mine is much cuter. edit ok i googled "tom morello young" and wow he did used to be cute.
Right?? He's got that dad bod now, but he's still a catch.
if he wasn't twice my age plus a decade id go for it yeah!
government theft from working class people
You ain't working class if you own the ranch, your employees are.
The "employees" probably weren't even working class, they were something closer to serfs serving landlords. These were nearly all literal slave plantations just a few decades prior and the new sustem was tenant farmers handing over half of their crops to the landlord and usually selling the rest to the landlord.
Serfs and slaves are working class (as in, theyre doing the work in society), they're not proles though.
In Marxist terms, the working class and the proletariat are conflated. Marx sometimes called the working class "the wage-working class" and then, synonymously, "the working class". Tenant farmers are usually distinguished due to a different class interest, which is to say that their primary goal (historically, along with other kinds of peasant) has been to obtain the land they work on, which Marxists usually describe as a petty bourgeois ambition. This emerges due to their relation to production, where they experience essentially the full gamut of the production of crops through their labor, usually only being alienated by a lack of ownership of the land itself and maybe some of the equipment. The development of uniting these peasant interests of land reform with proletarian interests in the cities was one of the key factors in successful revolutions led by MLs. After the revolution, this then immediately led to a need to deal with the petty bourgeois interests of peasany landowners, usually by limiting the amount of farming land that anyone other than the state could own and sometimes needing to immediately fight a small war against peasants that revolted due to their interests clashing with those of the industrial workers and the program of the revolutionary party(ies).
Apologies if much of this is review, just adding context in the hope that it is explanatory of my meaning.
I'm not the biggest RatM fan but I always love a good dunk by Morello. Dude is based.
Nice, playing it now.
This is as dope as when I found out Serj from SoaD has been doing solo stuff for years.
If you know any other protest/worker music type stuff similar to this I'm curious.
So, when I was looking for stuff like that, what I found really useful was looking for people who did covers of Which Side Are You On, John Brown's Body, The Internationale, and Bella Ciao.
That being said, here's a list of based artists, or artists who have based shit. Lot of it's gonna be rap or rock.
- Pete Seeger
- Utah Phillips
- The Nightwatchman - Tom Morello
- Chumbawumba (On top of just being awesome they have an entire album of old ass English Rebel Songs. Fire.)
- Dead Pioneers
- Dead Prez
- The Coup (Anything Boots Riley does is Fire)
- Street Sweeper Social Club (Boots Riley and Tom Morello!)
- Rebel Diaz
- Dog Park Dissidents
- Saul Williams
- Marc Ribot (Check out his songs of resistance album)
- Bambu
- Billy Woods
- Brother Ali
- Lowkey
- Modena City Ramblers
- David Rovics
- Carsie Blanton
I thnk I'm tapped out for now. As we got towards the bottom of the list I'm less familiar but they've got some decent songs.
edit: OH!!!
idk if I'd put Springsteen on the list on his own nowadays, but he does have The Ghost of Tom Joad which is just
. Here he is doing it with Tom Morello https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9f-F1CAB24 I could listen to this on repeat for hours.... I have.God dame you delivered. This is gonna be my morning listen lol. Thanks for the effort post!
I skimmed a bit and dig it so far. No apologies needed for genre btw. I'm a metal head by heart but I'm good with all sort of music lol.
Word. Wasn't sure if you were looking specifically for the folk music.
In all honesty, I'm still trying to fill the void left after the lead guy in Anti-flag turned out to be a sexual predator. They were my go-to "rebel lefty" music. But I haven't found much since except maybe that folk guy that sounds a bit like Bob Dylan from TikTok.
Oh, dude, Dog Park Dissidents and Dead Pioneers.
https://youtu.be/m32o6D8BDqo
https://youtu.be/ogMCu4iX6jE
For Dog Park Dissidents I recommend Queer as in Fuck You, Rainbow Drones, Pronouns, and Rupaul's Frack Race.
For Dead Pioneers: Bad Indian, This is not a political song, No oNe Owns anything, and Doom Indian.
It's all great though.
Thanks fam! Looks like I'm disassociating to good jams tomorrow lol.
I found YouTube links in your comment. Here are links to the same videos on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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Hi Tom if you're reading this love your music, can I borrow $2000?
From now on, every post on /c/mutual_aid should be directly adressed to Tom Morello.
Nah he's always been based. He used to have "arm the homeless" written on his guitar.
I really liked this one, too (photo is of a replica):
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Yeah. Ratm also did Free Tibet stuff as well. Hopefully, they outgrew that.
Tibet and Tiananmen Square were big anti-China talking points at the time, even Chumbawamba did a Tiananmen song. It really doesn't feel like Free Tibet had any legs past the 90s, though.
I know next-to-nothing about Peruvian politics. I've always thought of them as problematic—overall better good than bad—but I don't know any specifics. Is there somewhere I can read more about it?
Asking in good faith, of course. Not as a "SOURCE????
" dipshit, obviously.It's been a while since I looked into it, but what I remember finding was that they engaged in a lot of terrorism that wasn't necessarily directed at the ruling class.
-Massacred a lot of peasants.
-Including babies
-Sometimes executed people with boiling water or other forms of torture
Abimael Guzman, their leader, IIRC admitted to most of this in interviews and called it revolutionary excess.
And it became ridiculously cult-like later in their existence, owing it more to their leader than any kind of revolutionary stance. And still kinda are to this day
I've seen some dispute the boiling babies thing, but everyone seems to agree they killed a whole lot of peasants.
My understanding is that boiling peasants isn't disputed, and neither is killing peasant babies, but that specifically boiling babies is disputed.
For me personally, "Hey, we only scalded adults to death, we shot their babies" is still really bad. That's like some IOF stuff.
I don't know that much about them, but from what I've seen, they don't seem to be liked around here (and may have been backed by the CIA?).
He always gave me anarchosyndicalist vibes.
though.
