You can laugh at these people but they would also have been the ones to carry Bernie to victory if he hadn’t been screwed by the DNC (and the electoral system at large).
These people are infinitely more likely to open up to a leftist candidate than your affluent lib who call themselves progressives and shit on the left for not toeing the Democratic party line.
Exactly. These peoples' opinions are incoherent because they're the product of a system designed to pump out incoherent, idealist workers. Do something to improve these peoples' material conditions, show them there's an alternative to what they've been stewing in for their entire lives, and a not-insignificant chunk of them will be in your Das Kapital reading group by the end of the year.
he speaks of war as something that is bad. democrats became the party that supports war
this person's heart is in the right place at least
Death to America
Also speaks to how Democrats can't even perform anti-war rhetoric. Kamala and Trump were both about equal in how they talked about the Gaza genocide (different styles, but still just gesturing that something is bad here without pointing fingers). But on Ukraine, you have Democrats absolutely cheering on the war.
Initial stage of the war? Sure, NATO support could've put Ukraine in a stronger position to negotiate peace and prevent as large an illegal land grab. But, no. All political/diplomatic possibilities were taken off the table, while Zelensky and Biden were possessed by WWI generals with a love of trench warfare and stalemates.
They're not stupid they are ignorant by design. They lack a coherent political framework. Goldilocks and the three bears level of political analysis
These people are the least politically educated people in the world.
is literally themIt continually baffles me that americans can be this politically uneducated. There are people in the UK who know nothing about politics at all and have never ever had anyone sit down and teach them any theory but they will be able to tell you that there's a working class and a ruling class and who is in each of them with mostly accuracy until you get into petty-bourgeoise elements.
I think monarchs and lords make class distinctions a lot more concrete
It continually baffles me that americans can be this politically uneducated.
It is 100% by design. The entirety of the education system (what's left of it), media, and culture are grared toward engendering political illiteracy and false consciouness. Everyone is middle class. Baristas are cultural elites. Business owners with rural aesthetic signifiers are working class - even if they live in a large city. Also the working class are all round 40ish bald white men in hard hats. Businesses need profits so they can pay workers
.Its not an excuse, but this is the product of about a 100 years of propaganda and even longer than that of settler-colonial mindset
Lots of people who have tried to do exactly this and nothing more radical have been shot in the head in the USA
people in England think billionaires are working class if they have Northern accents
A 2020 Gallup poll found that 46% of American adults read below a 6th grade (11 or 12 year old) level. Many surveys have found slightly better but still worrisome reading levels in the adult population. This is not a matter of Americans being able to read what is on a page, but rather that they do not know how to take in and process information.
Any political analysis that does not start with this fact is fundamentally flawed.
I’ve heard before that socioeconomic class is part of colloquial existence in the UK. Is this true? In the US our civil religion insists that the class fluidity found amongst white settlers throughout most parts of the country’s existence continues to exist, and now for everyone. So we just don’t talk about class as if it’s real. It’s seen as condescending and rude to act like someone doesn’t have the potential to become extremely wealthy just because they were born a certain way.
It continually baffles me that americans can be this politically uneducated.
too much american football, not enough literacy
My youngest daughter said she doesn't like Peppa Pig because Peppa Pig is British. I must be doing something right.
have i got good news for you and your family!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kcJC1MFbwE
there are some more episodes on the same channel
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
American voters are like units in RTS games: if you don't given them specific orders, they'll either do nothing or go off and do the dumbest shit without any logical explanation.
My one warrior in Civ who's been set to auto-explore the world since the dawn of time
Every time I get a glimpse into mind of the swing voter it's like staring into the sun
Which is entirely reasonable when consensus reality has collapsed and the skills necessary to fact check dubious claims are completely absent from any American curriculum.
and the time necessary to dig into a bunch of dubious claims by a politician who is likely lying to you is beyond what's reasonable for a person working a full-time job with a family or anything vaguely resembling a social life
Then the institutions that are supposed to do the fact checking for you, to solve this problem, are blatantly lying and will tell you that inflation hasn't been that bad when it's essentially impossible for the majority of non-homeowners to ever own a home. So there's no one to trust, and these people perceive the liberals as smarmy condescending douches, so it's not a difficult logical leap to see why they end up voting Trump.
Which is why I wish we had a Trump of the left. Someone who isn't a smarmy douche and comes off like this emoji
Dem senator won AZ despite Harris losing by 5%
She just sucked folks
I feel like Trump and you are both real
A reasonable person would take that comment like a slap to the face lol
I mean I guess. I think people just head trump talking about how things are bad. that part is true, things ARE bad. And Dems like to explain how things aren't actually bad
Yeah he does and Dems are lying to people by not admitting it, I agree.
I just think Trump says a whole bunch of other shit, too, and that makes up for the moments of lucidity. At least as far as being "real" goes.
tbh my intention was to crack a joke drawing attention to how hypocritical AOC looks broadcasting those words given her brand and rhetoric on Trump. Trump might have caught a stray but I don't feel too bad about it.
I went a few rounds on Reddit before the election asking what I should do given that I didn't feel like Biden delivered on the issues I care about the most (Gaza and the climate), and he eventually threw up his hands and said "fine, vote for Trump, stay home, I don't care."
People don't really feel like their party listens to them, get repeatedly told that there's only two options, and then get surprised when this sort of incoherence manifests. Sure, some people are dumb and don't actively seek to educate themselves, but folks are also beaten down by a system that constantly condescends, discourages participation other than voting, and mounts militarized responses to protests. I can understand why you'd give up and just do what punishes the incumbent even if it leads to a worse outcome overall. I didn't make that choice myself, but I can understand it.
Dems are definitely gonna run the most Washington insider political animal they can in 2028.
I'm thinking Gruesome Gavin.
Nah, he's from California, too much of a 'disconnected coastal elite' (and they just lost with Kamala)
Time for a 'centrist' figure from the rust belt to reach out to people, someone who sheds the 'elitist' imagery...like a Fetterman ticket
i was suprised even in r/politics how much he is despised
and for the right reasons even. but someone like him, with less brain damage, could probably save their party
but they doesn't exist
r/politics has likely no more than 100,00 unique human users(
) . There are 15,000 unique human posters. All of them are terminally online liberals. Of those 15,000, there are a small fraction of power users, probably no more then 1,000 ( et al, 2024 ) who create the majority of content on that subreddit (
). The Internet is dominated by power users who drown out "normal" (if you can find such a person) people's voices. This power user effect is how you get stuff like the outage over Peanut the squirrel.This, combined with the swarms of bots has lead me to believe that any sort of Internet option monitoring cannot be used seriously.
Or Gary Peters from Michigan. Centrist, white, and has the Midwest vote!
feeling a pritzker/fetterloser ticket here. "our billionaire" feels like peak beltway brain
The 2028 race is going to be between a creepy weirdo and an elitist ghoul, both of them extremely off-putting. At that time things will be worse than they are now so I think the elitist ghoul has the best chances, simply by representing the other team.
People are gonna warm up to Vance. And now little Marco is SoS, he is a refined political animal
do these people not understand that Trump has literally been the president before?
In April, the NYT did a poll (or archive) asking people what they remember most from the Trump presidency.
Voters who shared negative memories of the Trump years overwhelmingly mentioned aspects of his behavior and personality, while the bulk of positive memories were about the economy.
So the Democratic voters couldn't even articulate the material things that were bad about those years. Only 9% picked "immigration," and the quotes from people who gave that answer were 6-1 in favor of his immigration policies.
Exaclty. The worst thing he did was be uncouth. He wasn't civil. He said the quiet parts out loud. I've yet to have a lib tell me why he was so bad that wasn't a variation on, "he wasn't civil".
Things were better back then, he will bring the good times once more!
Pay no attention to the fact that things are worse now than then, there are brown people who need deporting!
tom sexton said this thing once--which i think he attributed to someone else--that when it comes to politicking it doesn't matter what you say. it doesn't even matter how you say it. what matters is what people felt when they heard you say it.
i think about that shit a lot and i'll be goddamned if it doesn't ring more and more true every year.
Attributed to someone else...
“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”
- Maya Angelou
There are tons of people like this, politically checked out. Probably making voting decisions based on one sound bite from one side or the other that they heard like 6 years ago, or if a certain candidate's photo in the voter guide is flattering or not. I know someone who said recently, and I quote, "I should probably vote this time, one of my friends said it's a woman running now". Like, totally clueless. Being terminally political brained isn't the norm, and I don't think we should expect it from the average person, either.
And to be clear that isn't their fault. Blaming the common low information voter for the conditions that make them politically apathetic is fucking stupid, when that is the entire point of how things are under capitalism. Most people are just trying to survive and doing the best they can. I think it's important to nudge people in the right direction when appropriate and enable people to find answers more easily if they are searching. But most of all it's important to just support our communities and show people kindness and understanding. Remember, revolutionary conditions aren't predicated on every single person in the population understanding economic and political theory.
in college i remember overhearing someone say they voted for people whose names they recognized from political signs
That type of voter is one of the main reasons why Trump won in 2016. They all recognized his name from his TV-show and vaguely remembered having positive feelings at that time, so he must be the right choice.
Being terminally political brained isn't the norm, and I don't think we should expect it from the average person, either.
Once you realize this you start to get the feeling the social media echo-chambers of the left are like the bucket full of crabs.
