No colonialist in history has come to a place where their history, and archeology can be found all over the land.
So why are they bombing and bulldozing everything
Especially when Zionist archeology is largely derided as a joke on par with when you got nazi archeologists trying desperately to claim land as theirs by ancestral right. While also actively ruining evidence that contradicts their preferred narrative.
Weird how these two ideologies keep doing very similar things.
You have been brainwashed. Israel is a liberal democracy, and if officials don’t adhere to the rule of law they are judged and sent to prison, just like in any other democracy. By your logic you could say the LAPD is a terrorist organization because of a few bad cops.
The LAPD is probably one of the worst examples you could have picked lmao
(easy) Failure: You're both Californians here; if he can't see how dedicated we are to justice, there's not much you can do to educate him. The core of your argument is still intact. Just keep going.Whatever. I am not well-versed in Los Angeles political landscape. The point stands.
Israel is literally an ethno-state theocracy according to their own 2018 Nation-state bill that's part of their quasi-constition. They're not a liberal democracy by their own admission. Why do liberals do this
Certified Los Angeles expert thinks he knows about Israel
where coins and Scriptures can be found written in the same language they still speak.
oh boy this zionist doesn't even know that zionists created the Hebrew language spoken in Israel today barely more than a century ago.
From what I can tell, this account posts nothing but pro-Israel propaganda. Ten-to-one this is Hasbara.
Vietnam was doing imperialism when it invaded Cambodia uhhhhhh
why i just flatly don't trust anyone whose politics aren't firmly and explicitly anti-U.S. first and foremost
and even then i am too often disappointed
Cool, glad to know I have the right to to conquer and resettle any part of Europe where La Tène culture archaeological sites are found.
It's not fully constructed, but it was dead as an everyday language. It became a clerical/liturgical language like how Catholics use Latin. It was like that for centuries while Jews adopted European languages, Arabic, or integrated Hebrew into languages creating things like Yiddish and Ladino. Hebrew got revived as a spoken language in the late 19th century by some of the first Jewish settlers in Ottoman Palestine.
Something I've always found interesting though is how modern Hebrew was revived in order to eliminate Yiddish, but in doing so there's a bunch of Yiddish features of modern Hebrew. I've always wondered how different things might have turned out had Arabic speaking Jews revived Hebrew instead.
But yeah modern Hebrew was Jurassic Park'd back into existence, even including the part of integrating stuff into it's DNA
Not only that, but because religious Jews believe that the Hebrew Bible is the word of god (which makes the language itself holy) the ultra-orthodox position historically was that “modern Hebrew” is heretical. An example of why they think that is along these lines: ancient Hebrew did not have a concept for a “tie game in soccer” so modern Hebrew borrowed a term from the ancient language that essentially referred to a logical stalemate between the rabbis. Using that theological term for a frivolous activity is seen as a deliberate distortion of god’s holy language.
So you are saying that the fact I could never learn to speak Hebrew wasn't a personal failing? It was actually based? Nice!
If by “speak Hebrew” to mean “converse in modern Hebrew” that’s exactly what I’m saying. If you mean it to mean “understand the Talmud” then it’s not exactly based but also not that great a personal failing (note, I am not an Orthodox Jew - the rabbis would disagree with that)
not really. just like it was never quite dead, just resting. it was revived consciously, yes, and that involved the usual language renewal shenanigans that lots of other languages have gone through.
the grammar is different from the language of the torah, but it'd be different anyway, that was thousands of years ago. i dunno how much the current grammar was influenced by european languages. i know the traditional ashkenazi pronunciation of hebrew definitely didnt win out in israel.
i know the traditional ashkenazi pronunciation of hebrew definitely didnt win out in israel.
More than that! Ashkenazic Hebrew was deliberately replaced in a fit of auto-antisemitic psychosexual pique by the early Zionist movement looking to dissassociate itself with the "sounds of Yiddish complaint". It's essentially brown-face as white Central European Jewish people do a vague centuries old impression of Jewish dockworkers in Algiers following their exoticization/eroticization by Ben-Yehuda.
my local reddit location sub is so vile it was like my final straw for deleting my account entirely.
I might be slightly off the mark with my understanding so would appreciate if anyone can give better information, but afaik Jews never lived in the historical kingdoms of israel and Judea - YHWHism, the polytheistic predecessor religion that was just the ancient canaanite religion with a trendy new OC at the head, was practised there. The modern Jewish religion developed among the descendents of YHWHists who were kidnapped in the Babylonian exodus.
My immediate urge is to dismiss it, but I guess that’s not a refutation.
I’m also not a huge fan of “would you be happy with native Americans blowing up your home?” because it accepts the idea that every Jew in the world has an ancestral connection to the land of Israel in the same way that the actual indigenous people who were colonized do
Idk I’m also having trouble
That lends too much legitimacy to Israel imo, American indigenous peoples have a much better justification for blowing up settlers' houses if they want to.
I'm USian and I have Irish ancestry. I think that can be used much more fittingly as an analogy - all my ancestors up through my great grandparents were born in the US, but I am ethnically Irish and (for the purposes of this argument) Irish Catholic in religion; Ireland is a place where Irish history, architecture, and coinage(??) can be found all over the land. Despite having lived in the US my whole life, does this mean I have the right to call myself Irish, fly to Ireland, and kill a Protestant to take their house because it's my "native homeland"?
It points to two parts of their argument that are open to your critique - the validity of their claims to ancient heritage and the validity of using that ancient heritage as justification for any kind of violence in the modern world.
Don't get tied up in ancient nonsense. No archeological evidence would justify their murderous actions anyway. The creation of the state of Israel and history of zionism is well documented, as are their crimes.
Nearly all Palestinians are the descendants of the lower-class Jews from ancient times. The legend that Rome 'expelled the Jews' is a gross exaggeration of what really happened: the Romans merely expelled the Jewish ruling class. All of the other Jews remained, and centuries later they adopted Islam due to pressure from a new ruling class. (It was either that or move out of Palestine, which would have been such a tremendous pain in the neck that it was easier to just trade their old Abrahamic faith for a new one than emigrate and keep Judaism.)
https://hexbear.net/post/1328308
https://hexbear.net/post/2769234
So the Palestinians are the foreign Jews' siblings, which adds another layer of tragedy to the situation.
Analyse the class conditions and the geopolitical logic of Israel instead of giving into the lib-brained idea of treating nations as
- Historically and spatially transcendent (ancient Jews have anything to do with modern jews, people living in brooklyn have some special connection with the middle east, etc.)
- The primary motors of history (modern liberals are just 1 or 2 logical steps away from declaring race struggle to be the fundamental condition of humanity)
Furthermore, their mode of thinking is deeply idealistic. For them, settler colonialism happens just cause. In reality, settler colonialism can only occur under very specific conditions, amongst which, having a massive surplus population to do settler colonialism in the first place is key. Let's also not forget that for any ancient or medieval empire, a peasant is a peasant no matter what "race" (such a concept was not invented back then).
