Wasting time constantly whining about "x" stuff online: Also does absolutely nothing to help marginalized people.
Huh, the top results for "y'xll" is stupidpol. Almost as if it's not actually a thing
honestly i like y'xll, it proudly embraces the stupidity of hellworld
I think womxn is supposed to be a counter to the womyn made by terfs. And they made it cause they didn't like that woman has the suffix man in it.
“Latinx” at least serves some function. The others just seem like pointless woke signaling.
I feel like if latinx were pronounced like "laTEEN-eks" instead of "latinn-EKS" to fit with the phonetics of the gendered version there wouldn't be as much confusion with it
that first way is the only way i've ever heard anyone say it, and that's just on the radio because who says that
That still wouldn’t fit the morphophonemics of Spanish and imposes an anglo structure.
Better would be “La-TEEN-ekees”
/laetin3k3s/
Actually yeah, that makes a whole lot more sense. Is that correct according to the language?
Yeah sorry, I didn't mean to tacitly defer to whatever institution claims to decide what is or isn't "correct" according to the language. That was a poor word choice. A better way of phrasing my question would have been: is that already a well established convention?
Part of the reason I ask is that from the first time I encountered it, "latinx" kind of struck me as a silly thing that some white Americans might come up with without realizing that a convention for referring to people in a way that indicated their Latin-American ethnicity while remaining gender neutral already existed. Though I don't know the history behind the "latinx" convention, so I could easily be dead wrong.
We have a Royal institution that claims to establish the rules. And it says that "the masculine form can work as gender neutral". So
Is that correct according to the language?
no but people don't care and it's actually pronounceable.
Yeah, as I say in my above comment relying to sofodeas:
Yeah sorry, I didn’t mean to tacitly defer to whatever institution claims to decide what is or isn’t “correct” according to the language. That was a poor word choice. A better way of phrasing my question would have been: is that already a well established convention?
Part of the reason I ask is that from the first time I encountered it, “latinx” kind of struck me as a silly thing that some white Americans might come up with without realizing that a convention for referring to people in a way that indicated their Latin-American ethnicity while remaining gender neutral already existed. Though I don’t know the history behind the “latinx” convention, so I could easily be dead wrong.
How is it pronounced? I've been pronouncing it like "latrine". Is it pronounced "la-teen-eh" cause that's much cooler.
13 year old me wouldve been so woke replacing every vowel with Xs
For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.
Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.
Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.
did you find this on the esperanto hacker news post? I just read that today.
It's been floating around for a while. I think someone posted it here a while back. It's attributed to Mark Twain but apparently that isn't certain.
We are doing the right wing thing where we all get mad at a term or concept used by like 5 people on tumblr
i... i was doing the "struggle session over nothing anyone gives a fuck about" bit
personally i'd rather look at the photo of Cheetos Mac and Cheese and think about ordering it on Amazon
Part of the issue is the right wing propaganda network. They pick up on these little things and make huge mountains out of them.
tbf, at least the apostrophe is in the correct spot.
stares at texas you heard me, cowbxy :deng-cowboy:
counterpoint: language is stupid and it's fun to do violence to it
i feel a massive amount of cringe when americans white and latino use latinx
I've heard good arguments for writing X but not saying fucking "eks" or "ekis" - but rather pronouncing it as "e".
The x avoids some written grammar implications of writing "e" but then you sound normal ass
isn't it normal to end words with -o even when gender isnt known? since thats how people who actually speak Spanish do it it seems kinda weird to try and force people to do something to make it seem more woke to american radlibs.
isn’t it normal to end words with -o
yes because spanish is a gender language, most neutral words end with o by default
Some spanish speakers do it. Won't deny the influence of english speaking radlibs. But -o is the same as "man" and "he" being neuter - it's obviously not really neuter.
Bro I get written up at work if I don't write emails with latinx and I have to pay for food and healthcare
Out of all the times I’ve spent around my family and other “Latin” people I’ve never heard this word until I saw it on Twitter
its because it was created by english speaking americans who didnt like that latino was from a gender language, but also didnt bother to research the language so they went for the lazy option of adding an x, to me latine is a better word if you want a gender neutral latino
So, this one is kind of related: why is the word "hispanic" starting to be considered bad?
The explanations I got made no sense. That it doesn't refer to the actual place. Except that it does refer to the old timey name. Also that the old timey name is colonialist. Ok, yes, it totally is, but, like, how is Hispaniola, the old term, any worse than Latin America? They both imply settler colonialism.
Is it because people with Latinx heritage were able to successfully own the term?
hispanic also implies of spanish origin which erases a lot of the indigenous culture and identity of latin americans, plus it excludes, like, a brazilian people
Is "First Nations" catching on their like in the anglo settler states?
I hope it does. So many race terms are bullshit (because race is a social construct). How many times have you met a paper-white person?
That's just going to lead to thousands of mexican elizabeth warrens crawling out of the woodworks.
mestizo is only used inside of latin america, plus mixed means the same thing
There are many and the "appropriate term" changes from one country to another. Aboriginal, indigenous, "original peoples", native nations, pre-columbian nations, the actual name of the nation you're speaking about, a name a group of nations have chosen for themselves. I'm probably missing a few.
So does Latin though, there's a good article online about the colonial project of a 'latin' in the ~1800s
Latin, though, implies European ancestry. Roman empire and whatnot.
I'm thinking that it's because Latin is the name of both a dead language and a descendent family of languages, not a culture, so it's more like "Spanish speaking america", than Hispaniola's "Spanish America."
Also, it's Portuguese inclusive, yeah.
Plus since Latin is a dead language, Latinx people were successfully able to take ownership of the term "Latin". So, when you think someone is "Latin" you don't think of Nero or Cesar or whatever.
i see latin mostly refering to the use of a latin language, since latinos have included haiti, however its not perfect since it not includes the guyanas and sometime involves quebec too
I've never heard Haitians be referred to as Latino/Latinx. Dominicans, yes, and it's the same island. But not Haitians. I've always heard them be considered "carribean".
Yes, they would technically be a part of Latin America and therefore Latinx by the logic given. But the fact that they don't seem to be, at least in America, is why I feel like the word Latinx isn't functionally different than the word Hispanic.
I think that if I heard a Quebecois call themselves "latinx" I would be legally required to spit on their face.
:doomer:
Seriously, if you're not living in a Spanish speaking country and/or don't speak Spanish in your daily life, any "discourse" over Latinx is irrelevant to you. *insert Joker you wouldnt get it*
Edit: or portuguese or whatever, i guess. but yeah, irrelevant. ignore it and move on.
I'm still looking for the working class person who is offended by this.
Y'xll is definitely a CIA op to people divided. The rest have their own roots.
Functionally, they all work as CIA ops. They all alienate people outside of the movement.
Absolutely. I think we need more unconditional solidarity within the left, and an emphasis on class. We are all united in the class struggle.
the class struggle is also intersectional, and a comrade facing transphobia or racism, deserve their issues addressed just as soon as their class problems.
Absolutely. This is what stupidpol doesn't get. The problem has been the liberal bastardization of intersectionality over the past decade. Class struggle isn't taught in college, but race and gender struggles are. This is why liberal intersectionality so often turns into "oppression olympics", with the working class fighting each other over the very thing that intersectionality tries to solve. The class struggle is the missing puzzle piece. It's the key that opens the door to liberation, and it has been purposely and actively hidden by the bourgeoisie.
love it when people who get entertainment from twitter screenshots and have strong feelings about a podcast called cumtown also have theories about what needs to be done for the left to appeal to normies
my point is if you're posting #onhere you're already a fucking weirdo, and there's not good reason to chickenlittle about other fucking weirdos being fucking weird online
