I'm learning about this Matt guy against my will, bear site pls
Tipping 2.79 on a doordash/Uber eats order when you're rich is ridiculous. I've delivered to people with a guest house, a pool, and 2 sports cars in the driveway for that kind of tip and it always pisses me off.
Also low key racist talking about deporting the delivery driver.
Are delivery drivers in the US on less than minimum wage like in-restaurant waiters are?
Cut the Americans some slack, they also think it's 'like communism' when the grocery stores in their hyper capitalist hellscape have stocking issues
Paying more to the government for sales tax than to the worker actually getting the food to you is so shitty. Fuck this dude.
If you ever want to get mad, you can look up what proportion of workers are in minimum wage jobs, take a rough estimate of their aggregate income, and compare it to GDP.
About 40% of every price tag goes to labor. About 7% of that same price tag goes to low-wage labor, which makes up half the workforce.
Labour costs are a relatively small component of the few products I've looked at - do you have anything I can read further?
Material and shipping cost components are each just a sum of labor + surplus. For almost everything, someone somewhere is working to make it happen and receiving a wage for it.
I did a bunch of the math here. I just realized I was calculating based on an average of 20 hours a week at minimum wage jobs, which is probably too low, so I fixed it; the figure would be somewhere between 8% and 12%.
I got the total wage disbursement from either the Fed or the Treasury. Later on, though, I realized that this figure only applied to companies, and I'd neglected to account for proprietorships and partnerships where the owner-operators are not paid a wage. So I looked up the revenues from each, and each is a little over $1 trillion. That still comes out to less than 50% of GDP. And if only $13T-14T of $29T goes to wages, that's still about 53% going to capitalists.
It also does not include the informal economy, and that's a lot harder to quantify, but I make the assumption that there are no key stages of production that fall into the informal economy. Otherwise, there would be substantial traceable tax fraud.
Just a guess here but I'm pretty sure mosts businesses calculate labor costs as the costs they pay their own employees, but looking at labor costs as a means to analyze society means you probably need to include the labor portion of services they receive from other companies (delivery drivers, factory workers who make the business's machines, ag workers who planted and hargested the food, marketing guys who come up with ad campaigns for them, etc) if counting whenever someone is getting a wage or salary somewhere in the supply chain, I could see the number being way higher than what the business owner defines it as.
Why don't they just bill him the cost of delivery then? Why are Americans so afraid of charging people the cost of doing business and then get all pissy if they don't get paid what they believe to be the cost of doing business?
Fuck this delivery company.
Because by not including the price of labor in the price tag, the company allows customers who are more willing to buy a product if they can stuff the worker more access to the goods and services they're selling.
This let's the collude with bad or non-tippers to stiff the worker.
We absolutely must not give a pass to shitty people who are "anti-tipping" but continue to shop at industries that run on tips.
EDIT: I actually want to be more explicit here, fuck you specifically if this is your attitude frazorth, and fuck anyone who agrees with you. The "Americans" deciding to let you steal from their employees by letting you pay them or not, instead of requiring you to pay that extra money and then passing it on to the employee are absolutely at fault, but if you fly over here and expect not to tip the desperate workers who are waiting on you hand and foot in restaurants, hotels, and on delivery apps, I hope you choke on your food and fail to make it back to nonce Island.
What? Are you alright, it looks like your having a bit of a breakdown.
Its my fault that NonceSA doesnt pay its employees?
And you've decided that I wouldn't pay the driver because I said fuck the delivery company for not paying them?
What a bellend.
then get all pissy if they don't get paid
Don't justify theft if you don't want people to call you a thief.
They're not a thief because they don't live in an economy that requires tipping; they're an outsider looking in on American tipping culture and criticising it.
You Americans should tip because your economy demands it, but that doesn't mean it's not stupid.
Fine, they're just pro thief.
They just think that impoverished victims of theft should shut the fuck up about it.
I think the leadership of doordash should be rounded up and shot.
https://www1.salary.com/DoorDash-Inc-Executive-Salaries.html
Keith Yandell $4.8 m
Prabir Adarkar $15.9 m
Tia Sherringham $12.6 m
Ravi Inukonda $12.6 m
$44.9 million a year between just 4 of the exec board. Fuck them.
I think that Door dash as an example makes quite a lot of money, and they should pay their drivers.
Agreed. Do you also think that people who use the services provided by door dash, but refuse to pay the delivery drivers (by refusing to tip) should also be punished, or should the drivers not get so pissy about those people?
I'm going to quote their comment
Why are Americans so afraid of charging people the cost of doing business and then get all pissy if they don't get paid what they believe to be the cost of doing business?
In this quote who is the "they" who is not being paid? What does it mean that they're "getting all pissy?"
Here's my interpretation:
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"they" are a worker who is dependent on tips
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"get all pissy" means to get upset, and has a negative connotation, like the person is being unreasonable by being so upset
I feel like I'm being fucked with here because this is pretty clearly, to my eyes, treating the plight of the person who was stiffed as something trivial. Treating the suffering of someone who was wronged as trivial pretty clearly to me is defending the person who wronged them.
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Even as a consumer you would want service and taxes to be included in the posted price of whatever you're buying. It must be really annoying not being able to predict what something will actually cost you simply by looking at it's price tag.
Yeah but not as annoying as stressing about making your rent paying because some Mr. Pink asshole decides to steal your wages by "making a stand" against tipping (while patronizing the restaurant that pays its workers a sub minimum wage with the expectation that anyone eating there will tip).
Absolutely. Workers should not be tipped but currently they are tipped so not tipping as a customer is essentially stealing from underpaid workers. Tipping can not end with individual consumer bullshit, it takes union action or government intervention.
then get all pissy if they don't get paid
Don't justify theft if you don't want people to call you a thief.
You just voted for the paedo orange who ran on a platform of fuck the workers.
My position is that this is shit and that people should be paid for the work they do.
Tipping is a bandage over employee abuse, the delivery company should be in jail at a minimum, guillotine is preferable.
You just voted for the paedo orange who ran on a platform of fuck the workers.
I'm a communist, I did not vote for Donald Trump.
My position is that this is shit and that people should be paid for the work they do.
Yeah, but your position is also that waitresses shouldn't "get pissy" about it if some prick stiffs them right?
Tipping is a bandage over employee abuse, the delivery company should be in jail.
Yes. But the customer using the service and declining to pay for it belongs in jail just as much.
I'm obviously doing a poor job communicating.
Why are Americans so afraid of charging people the cost of doing business and then get all pissy if they don't get paid what they believe to be the cost of doing business?
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Yeah, but your position is also that waitresses shouldn't "get pissy" about it if some prick stiffs them right?
Not in the slightest, I'm saying that businesses are not charging for delivery and then getting pissy.
Those who do the work should be paid, the people getting pissy is door dash (or whoever etc) by refusing to pay these people unless the customer gifts them extra. Tips are not wages, however while you are stuck I'm this situation then pay them through your tips (and fuck those that don't)
If there is a lack of money to pay a person for the time they spent though this shitty system then door dash should make up the difference. The list of CxO income clearly shows that doordash makes enough to pay its workers, its purely choice they are not.
Next step should be molotov's until they change their policy.
I'm sorry for misinterpreting you as saying that tipped workers shouldn't get upset for being stiffed and getting so hostile.
I've seen that kind of rhetoric on the internet several times and I'm maybe a little oversensitive to it.
No worries, I tried rephrasing it a few times. I think some people got what I was saying, and I humbly apologise for suggesting you may have voted that way.
That was far over the line, and I was annoyed at you for suggesting that I thought that serving staff should suck it up.
Libs are going to finally admit that the economy is fucked because their guy isn’t decaying in the Oval Office
They might even recognize a genocide 100,000 bodies too late once the Delaware Mummy is gone
Not only a 10% tipper as a millionaire, a 10% tipper on a delivery app
Seriously. I don't want to be all "worker A deserves more than worker B" but you're not wearing down your car's engine if you're reaching behind the bar for a bottle. Gig workers should get a 20 for the smallest order or you should get it yourself.
Tips should not even be asked for or expected with such services. Uber should be paying fair compensation based on number of deliveries and distance travelled. The customer is already paying a subscription fee and sometimes a delivery fee over that.
I've heard that Uber subsidizes low tips to make sure orders get fulfilled if they're not accepted by a driver in a reasonable time frame. Theoreretically the tip goes up gradually the longer the order sits in the unaccepted pool (with Uber paying the difference relative to the tip offered by the customer). Part of why they do it is to take advantage of FOMO from the driver who knows that there are others who may accept a lower tip and will feel pressure to accept lower than they usually would. Almost like a type of auction.
Would be curious if someone who drives Uber could confirm that. Somehow people who tip $0 still get their food so there must be something to it.
I've heard that Uber subsidizes low tips to make sure orders get fulfilled if they're not accepted by a driver in a reasonable time frame.
Wait, is the implication here that you tip in advance?
Most delivery apps ask you to tip in advance and show varying amounts of information to the driver for them to make their decision on whether to accept it.
Some show enough to where drivers can intuit someone is tipping $0 or a low amount for something very far away. You can add more to the tip after, but not tipping upfront gets you slower service because the drivers then prioritize other orders.
Huh, here our apps ask us for a tip after, and they're also quite low. But also we're a near zero tips culture and full time minimum wage is enough to build up savings
That makes sense. I should have specified in the US, though most people probably got that through context.
Just relating my experience. USA is a fuck. I don't think I would have thought a regional app difference would have been when tips are declared, but here we are
Can you even call it a 'tip' at that point? It's more like bidding on a service charge.
Functionally, that's exactly what it is. Drivers get paid a criminally low base rate for accepting deliveries, which is what gets raised the longer an order sits without someone accepting it, as the other user mentioned. It works practically the same as states that have $2 wages for servers that get made up with customer tips. You can tip $0 if you're fine waiting an hour+ for someone to accept the order if you live in a larger city. There's no incentive for drivers to accept lower paid orders. The solution isn't to be Mr. Pink though, it's to not use delivery apps, tip a decent amount with the knowledge that the drivers don't get paid much, or work to regulate the industry to enforce reasonable minimums so that drivers don't have to rely on tips, just like with restaurant servers.
I think millionaires should fucking tip people properly fuck this anti-worker shit surprised to see it come from a lemmygrad account
Jesus christ man this post is dunking on a fucking millionaire. Just shut up about it. We all know that the employees are getting fucked by wage labor.
Yes, and since they don't, I want to make sure hard working service people can pay their bills until we change the system so we don't have to tip them
The system isn't going to change by punishing the people who are struggling under it either
I dunno mate. I just think it’s outrageous that waiters and waitresses are paid peanuts. Fortunately I don’t have to get involved in this.
You probably disagree with parking tickets too and yet you still pay them.
Stop using this moral purist bullshit to justify punishing underpaid workers by defending inadequate tipping, nobody else is buying into your self-deception.
Yeah, when you refuse to pay parking ticket the consequence is falling on you, you could lose your license or have your wages garnished. These assholes refuse to tip because they're able to make a low-wage worker bear the consequences, i.e. financial hardship and instability.
It's completely self-serving anti-worker rhetoric and it's concerning to see it upvoted.
everybody talking about the tip like that "service fee" ain't right there
service deez nuts, shake shack
death penalty to all involved in "delivery fees" that don't get paid to the driver
Drivers should be salaried, not tipped.
Service fees should be included in the price of the goods purchased and/or the delivery.
Taxes should be included in the prices posted to consumers.
Who the fuck is blowing $38 on fast food? You could get actual high quality shit for less than that.
What was the bit (or reality, I think) of Americans buying Hooters chicken wings delivered at an insane markup?
"Hmm, finally, mediocre wings at an exorbitant price, without all those boobs to distract me"
From the comfort of their own home - maybe he wanted to impress his wife?
