"It's my turn to be the Nazi!", said Macron.
To be honest, France acted like this for years. When it was a major Colonial Power this was incredibly common, let's take a moment to remember their brutal rule over their "Colonial Subjects" in Africa and South-East Asia...
The 5th republic came about because of a threatened military coup over Algiers.
Neo liberals are so good at creating explosive material conditions and then play shockedpikachu.jpeg when shit goes sideways which then leads to "welp, guess we need fascism". Every. Single. Fucking. Time.
Reactionary French barbarism sparking off reactionary Islamic barbarism sparking off reactionary French barbarism.
So a random French teacher who was having a class about freedom of speech and said that any Muslim kids could leave if they felt uncomfortable is initial "reactionary french barbarism". Lol sounds like someone is victim blaming. The beheading of the teacher was because of some stupid social media rumors spread in the Muslim community that he was showing naked photos of Muhammed which never happened.
I don't think that was, what Alaskaball ment. French Barbarism: Colonialization of several countries with muslim population, killing innocent Iraqis, rampant discrimination of muslims in France and probably many more. You cannot view this incident in isolation.
The first dude was a Chechen, highly doubt French troops were storming Grozny
You seem to be stuck in a very nationalistic world-view. Many Muslim treat the muslim world like one nation. Not only Palestinians are against Israels occupation...
I mean I can do the same. The treatment of Copts and Assyrians are as you say, less then stellar. I do remember something the Ottomans doing, something to do with the genocide of Armenians and Greeks, occupation of the Balkans, etc. If we want to do sins of the past, we saw what bringing up past grievances achieves via the Yugoslav wars.
Never understood the criticism of China about the uyghur situation
According to an unconfirmed claim from a police source, the attacker was around 25-years old and cried "Allah Akbar" as he carried out the assault, according to an unconfirmed claim from a police source.
There’s no way this could end badly, right...?
Do you believe that Muslims across the world danced and cheered in the streets on 9/11? Because boy do I have a bridge to sell you.
Literally after every terrorist attack the "he shouted Allah Akbar" line gets fired. It's a trope, plain and simple.
Do you not?
Even if not, of you not see the harm in stoking anti-Islam sentiment with hearsay and rumors? Or how this puts Muslims in danger from reactionaries?
Do you seriously think this was not an act of islamic terrorism? Lmao.
What it was is obvious. What the response SHOULDN'T be is also obvious, but fascist Macron doesn't care.
I tend not to believe anything that falls under the umbrella of "unsubstantiated claims made by cops"
I totally believe all cops! That's why we all support ACAB, all cops are beautiful!
"Enough is enough, it is now time for France to exempt itself from laws on peace to wipe out Islamo-fascism once and for all from our territory," Estrosi added.
This doesn't sound troubling at all
Yup. They're going do what western media says China is doing to Uyghurs and they will be praised for it
I fear for the future. 7.5% of the population is muslim, and it is reported that 30% of them consider the Sharia to come before French law. So many calls to murder will inevitably result in terrorist attacks, leading to purges and far right violence, and they will use these tools to repress left-wingers too. I also enjoy this very cool and good tweet calling for genocide to own the libs; as well as the turkish thugs attacking armenians.
https://twitter.com/chedetofficial/status/1321765587530338304
https://actu.fr/auvergne-rhone-alpes/decines-charpieu_69275/pres-de-lyon-des-centaines-de-turcs-defilent-dans-un-quartier-armenien-et-en-appellent-a-la-violence_37104448.html
Fuck religion and ultra-nationalism man, not even once.
The future is Singapore/Chinese style strong handed approach to any problems involving religion and ethnic matter. Get ready to have the government up your ass at all times even more then now
Unironically this. We let the situation become this bad for what ? 40 years now ? There are zones where arabs and diverse minorities live in squalor, and nothing has been done for them ever. When your material conditions suck, people inevitably turn to extremism, and these guys happen to be mostly muslim, so colour me surprised when these zones become breeding grounds for ISIS.
Yup, most of them were and they had ties to Saudi Arabia, so the logical solution was invading Iraq which had nothing to do with it
Europe is gonna pull a China with reeducation camps and monitoring on every sidewalk and I'll love to see the politicians back track. No China stan, but getting the grubs who are politicans to squirm will be worth it.
Let's be honest, if they used calipers they would also send most Italians to the camps as well
I pray for a swift end to this shitty fucking planet with its shitty fucking small brain inhabitants that only give a shit about their own removed in-groups. Bring me the comet.
Truly. The thought of living the rest of my life, isolated on a farm with some animals sounds like heaven to me at this point.
https://twitter.com/AdityaMenon22/status/1321773662077214720
Is there Islamophobia in France? Yes
Is the regime bigoted? Yes
Has France committed atrocities? Absolutely
Are the cartoons distasteful? Yes
But none of above can justify violence against innocent people.
Individual perpetrator always had choice not to respond violently
Of course is violence against innocent people completely wrong. Plus, I don't want to appear to take the attackers side, these are right wing terrorist. Not the white supremacy right wing but the muslim supremacy right wing. However, I cannot understand how France is supposed to get over this situation, if they are escalating tensions. Again, I'm not saying that I symphathise with islamists. My familily if from the middle-east and Islam has made life for my family so much worse. However, showing the caricatures in large format only leads to further radicalization of people on the edge of radical islamism. If you aknowledge it or not, it is still an insult to all muslims. And large crowds of insulted people seldomly have great ideas.
China's treatment is the answer, coupled with the expulsion of foreign nationals who don't even try to hide their religious extremism/nationalism. See as an example Turkish residents who act like literal grey wolves, or Saudi-financed preachers. A whole lot of people come here thinking we won't do anything, and they're entirely right. We've done literally nothing for 40 years, letting the situation become worse and worse, and this includes not reflecting upon our colonial past, the way we treat minorities, the influence of religions (which include catholicism too); and more.
It's doesn't has to become a shitshow, but I don't trust Macron's government to finally start taking good measures.
And we’re all getting locked down again tonight, it’s gonna be fun, everyone’s going to be perfectly fine coming out of this, and our dear governments will of course be perfectly responsible
What a random tangent about the way women dress. Highly doubt that the French lady in a Church on Thursday is really the one who is wearing a bikini bottom but regardless why would it be okay to kill her if she did
What the fuck that went from 0-nuclear in ten tweets
Maybe blasting Islamaphobia in response to the previous killing was not a good idea
Guys can we please not criticize a religion or else you have it coming.
You can criticize religion but come on you have to admit blasting depictions of Mohammed onto government buildings in response to the first beheading was a moronic idea that did nothing but make everything worse.
It's almost like Hebdo makes fun of everyone, they make fun of Catholics as well Keep on that attitude that you shouldn't do anything to upset Muslims. If someone feels that upset about a stupid cartoon that they go and behead someone, then maybe they should get their heads checked and it's their problem and not anyone elses
well obviously beheading someone over your religion is a ghastly and horrible act but its also a political act, and it didn't occur in a vaccuum. when muslims in france are ostracized and radicalized because of it, you don't .... continue to ostracize them even more after this.
I'm also part of a group that is used as cheap labor in Western Europe and lots of my countrymen are getting paid under minimum wage and living 10 people per apartment so they can send money back home to their families. Where are we killing people in the streets? Mexicans are ostracized in America and you don't see Mexican terrorists. There is something going on in those communities, we should follow the Chinese model. Reeducation, shutting down illegal mosques and ones who are spreading this kind of nonsense (many of whom are sponsored by Saudis), etc.
i agree that something has to be done like re education, but it has to be done well, in a way not to ostracize muslims in france further. my whole point is pouring fuel into the fire doesn't do anything good, it will have negative outcomes for muslims in france, and frankly, will result in more murders like this.
Except there is no way to do it without ruffling some feathers. You shut down some Saudi mosques, someone will get upset, you nationalize the hiring of imans, someone will get upset.
totally
but broadcasting depictions of mohammed on gov buildings generally has no good outcomes to it, its only intention is to ruffle feathers.
Did we forget that the return and expansion of "radical Islam" was a direct result of western intervention in emerging Middle Eastern SSR's? That the violent and brutal forces of reaction were directly funded and supported by the US state department in an attempt to cripple the development of socialism in the region? That to this day terrorism is still being directly funded and controlled by western powers against socialists.
This situation is clearly a result of religious radicalization coupled with poor material conditions. Just think about how many fundamentalists in America would snap and turn into extremists. It's not a specifically Islamic thing.
The purpose of religious extremism is to serve as a catch of false consciousness, to re-direct anyone who's beginning to understand that their conditions are shit and turn them into a tool of oppression against others who are gaining consciousness.
And I agree about stopping the inflammatory bullshit. It's in bad taste. Especially because there isn't any sort of racial equality. It's a joke at their expense.
i agree 100% with you. the other user, who i guess got banned lol, was being annoying but i was hoping i could get them to understand what they're saying in good faith, oh well. i mean we already have fundamentalists in america who snap and turn to extremists, and then kill people. if france wants to address the problem with islamic extremism in their own country they have to grapple with their past do something to hit the core of the issue. obv reeducation camps could work but you would have to try to tightrope deradicalization with allowing them to preserve their culture. thats ostensibly what china is doing, though who knows exactly whats going on there, im sure its probably better than whatever france could come up with.
blasting depictions of the prophet in response to this is just ludicrous. all it does is give french racists a smug feeling for being "cultured" while actually being responsible for a rise in extremism and violence. not only is it horrible and racist, its also stupid.
Yep, also you can't deradicalize without also fixing the initial problem of poor material conditions. Just arresting people and telling at them to not be terrorists isn't going to work. Would be cool to actually have legitimate reporting about China's de-radicalization programs in the west, but I guess the intelligence agencies have no interest in deradicalization. It's a tool that they aren't willing to part with.
Islamic extremists are not the same as regular muslims. Conflating the two is the problem. Blasting that the religion and all muslims are a problem is what grows their ranks, it massively radicalises regular muslims through the alienation and racial hatred they receive in their day to day lives.
There are some core tenants to islam, like not depicting Muhammad, which are universal tho. While only small number of loons go out and actually commit these acts, it's not like Muslim countries don't have laws on their books against criticizing him and Islam in general, for example Pakistan.
And? What point are you making? That because some violent people do something bad that it's fine for the government itself to advocate for the thing that upsets all the normal non-violent muslims?
The depiction IS offensive and bad. It does not deserve a violent reprisal and that should be condemned, but the depiction itself should still be condemned as offensive and bad. It should not be encouraged wholesale by the state itself as Macron has been doing. This is encouragement of something intended specifically to stir reactionary outcomes.
Then we are making special cases for Muslims above other religions. No one else would get this privilege and then you think that won't build animus amongst the others.
No we're fucking not. I will defend anything that is strictly offensive to other religions too, it's just not necessary.
As far as I'm concerned performing the depiction is not dissimilar to performing a racist or transphobic act. In many cases that's EXACTLY how reactionaries are using it too -- as a substitute for blatant racism. It's obviously problematic by itself, it doesn't deserve people to have their heads cut off, but it does deserve condemning. You're making the same "special treatment" argument that reactionaries make for lgbt and skin colour when we condemn them for other ways they attack those minority groups.
Well no since being lgbt and having a certain skin color is something you are born with. Religion is not something like that. I guess if you commit some violence then that breeds fear in people from talking about your ideology, maybe some other religions and ideologies will take note.
It's irrelevant whether it's a religion or not. It's still an attack on a minority group, religious or otherwise. Religious minorities are a hierarchy just the same. Attacks on all minority groups are attacks to elevate the primary caste of society (white male cis straight christian) and lower others.
When have I abused Polish or Eastern European migrants?
Please don't call me white.
This seems like a deeply generalised attack that makes a whole bunch of assumptions about me. Who are you even attacking? Why? Why is it being directed at me? Respond to people's actual words instead of making shit up based on whatever cartoon caricature you've decided a person is in your head please.
EDIT: Unless I've completely misinterpreted this as an attack when it's not. In which case carry on.
You seem to have no idea that I'm fucking Czech. Stop assuming people's ethnicity, it's fucking embarrassing and you're clearly a reactionary.
something something about de radicalizing these nutjobs and their stoneage beliefs
