We are just very committed to maintaining the profits of private corporations, so not neoliberals!

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Barack is eating from the trash can of ideology, all the time

  • KamalaHarris [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    To be fair, the President is utterly powerless to sway congressional votes. Votes are simply these things that happen. Attempts to coerce them are as Xerxes whipping the sea. Obama tried, but ultimately he had no principled choice except to allow senators to vote as they will, even if it continued the relentless meat grinder that we call a healthcare system in this country in favor of some wealthy donors. Maybe you call that "neoliberal ideology."

    Anyway, I forgot where I was going. Point is, it's the Republicans' fault, and we need your help to defeat them next election cycle!

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      liberals believe voting is simultaneously the most important action you can take as a citizen and also this unknowable alien force that will simply always be at nearly half Republican, forever

      • ssjmarx [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        With the mandate Obama rode in on, if he had wanted to push for single payer and he was obstructed by any Senate Democrat he could have gone into their state and ended their career permanently. But of course, if he had that kind of spine and that kind of agenda, he would have never been allowed to win.

        • Coca_Cola_but_Commie [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          "Last decade I thought you really intended to do something for this country. Now I have given it all up. Henceforward I am swearing eternal vengeance on the financial barons and will do every single thing I can to bring about communism."

          • a Chapo.chat poster to Barack Hussein Obama, December 11, 2020
  • kilternkafuffle [any]
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    4 years ago

    Votes - where do they come from? The great religions have speculated since the dawn of humanity and quantum physicists spin hypotheses about votes being a kind of string, but, in the end, no one really knows.

  • Not_irony [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Imagine a good Obama. Endorsed Bernie in 2016, campaigned and spoke out to libs for the last 4 years about m4a and how it is the next step after the ACA. And that's starting in 2016! Imagine having someone as popular as Obama in the white house, welding power. Smh

  • OhWell [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    We didn't have the votes, he says. That's always the excuse. If it weren't that, it would but who's gonna pay for it!?

    Fuck Obama. I didn't think I could hate this man more until he wrote this stupid book and the recent obsession with his cult of personality being pushed through liberal mainstream media and talking about his LEGACY. As far as I'm concerned, the fact he was replaced by a reality TV star who was screaming for his birth certificate a decade ago, is absolutely a part of his legacy.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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      4 years ago

      "I know it's incredibly popular and supported by 80% of the population, but we just don't have the votes for it!"

      "Yes, we're a democracy, why do you ask?"

      • OhWell [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I was getting into it with a liberal who used that same excuse. I brought up how every state that had legalization on the ballot, voted for it in a majority. This included some "red states" since they love to put things into logic of silly color coded maps.

        Florida is a red state and they voted for $15 minimum wage.

        That's 2 very popular ideas the Democratic party could adopt and try, and it would get people to vote for them. But no. They don't have the votes for that, and who's going to pay for it!? Lord forbid we tax the billionaires and Silicon Valley tech oligarchs that donate to the party.

    • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      the fact he was replaced by a reality TV star who was screaming for his birth certificate a decade ago, is absolutely a part of his legacy

      He literally brought it about by taunting Trump at the White House Correspondents' Dinner in 2011.

  • CementEscapist [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I have tried to read up on why the GOP could filibuster a bill out of existence but the Dems - with more senators than the 2010 GOP had - were powerless to stop things like Trump's tax bill. I do not understand any of the jargon I've come across that attempts to explain it. Is there a legitimate answer or is it all liberal apologia?

    • Runcible [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I can't speak to any legislature rules/strategies/techniques, but a substantial portion of Dems vote conservative . This is known and accepted in the party because "we need seats in red states" without wondering if there's value in having them if those seats still vote conservative. A unified Republican party is more common than a unified Democrat party.

  • PlantsRcoolToo [any]
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    4 years ago

    Lmao he doesn't get it, but the words in that order are correct.

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    "listen, it wasn't our ideology, it was that our ideology doesn't produce the votes that allow us to do things contrary to our ideology and material interests"

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Bullshit Obama, universal healthcare is insanely popular and the only reason you didn't get it through is that you were weak and caved to pressure from the private sector. Ultimately you chose corporatocracy over democracy and you should be ashamed.