Also comparing it to Rick and Morty which suggests they haven't watched it
edit: If you don't like the show that's cool I just thought this was a weird pattern
Have you seen this take here? I haven't, aside from people calling it "sad horse show."
One criticism I've seen of Rick and Morty is that although Rick is very clearly portrayed as a bad person who has no regard for the well-being of those around him, he never faces any permanent consequences for his actions. This makes sense as a creative choice because the show has to return to the status quo at the end of each episode, but it leaves room for some obnoxious fans to identify with Rick and idolize the type of personality the show is in part trying to criticize.
Bojack Horseman doesn't have this problem. When Bojack makes bad decisions and hurts people, he has to live with the consequences of those decisions for the rest of the show. There's an entire story arc where Bojack uses a character he's playing as a justification for his own shitty behavior and gets called out for it by his friend. The writers weren't subtle in calling out this type of toxic fan. The show is very clear about how Bojack is supposed to be interpreted.
Not here, from fans of the podcast Chapo Trap House, which has a similar name to this website despite there being no relationship between the two to my knowledge
I honestly thought it was great, and somewhat responsible, of the writers of Bojack to put a whole season in where Bojack is playing a character (Philbert) -- who is essentially himself -- and at the end Diane calls him out for perpetuating an asshole stereotype that he shouldn't be apologizing for/emphasizing with.
Sad horse show is way better than sad grandpa show and both are reflections of the social malaise we’ve fallen into
but even that's not a fair comparison, because sad grandpa is not self reflective. he's just a fucking prick.
yeah, that honestly seems like the exception rather than the rule. the entire show is about him being right, even when he is wrong, because everyone else is a fucking moron. it's literally just dan harmon's massive ego being projected onto the world.
I mean, yes, but there again - just another rare exception to the overall body of work that is "Rick is always right, even when he's wrong".
Have you seen season 4 yet? Specifically, the "Vat of Acid" episode? It's so fucking angry and cynical. And it wasn't even funny. I'm kinda drunk and not really at a point where I can keep this up, just watch Renegade Cut's video on the show, he really sums up the things that bother me about the series better than I can.
Nah, it was a net positive show that explored some uncommon subject matter like mental health. It definitely had its moments.
People hate on it because the animation crew struggled to get union wages and because a white actress voiced a Vietnamese character (oh shit, the same criticism was leveled at Rick & Morty). Also some people consider Will Arnett a creep because he dates younger women.
So it's not really about the show they hate so much as the superficiality surrounding it.
People hate on it because the animation crew struggled to get union wages
But they did manage to unionize before the final season was released and this was presented as a plus in the sub.
"Capitalism sews the seeds of it's own destruction" is literally a line from that show.
It was alright but I couldn't stop thinking about all the animals and humans fucking
And where only like 1/4 of their body resembles the animal and the rest is totally human like.
And where cross species breeding is possible.
I think you should finish it because it actually gets better and the whole thing is treated pretty damn well.
It is brilliant, it's a fantastic reflection of the absurdity of society. The absurd is constantly mixed with the mundane to highlight how absurd "normal" life is and the hoops we jump thru to justify it.
Yep, this is why I didn't like it. I'm already depressed, don't need my entertainment to double down on it
I feel the same way, I put off watching so many classic movies and TV shows that are sad or depressing because the misery porn just makes me feel like shit.
I just got tired of Bojack's shit after season 2 and stopped watching
Yeah how many times do we need to go through the cycle of the sad horse growing up and becoming mature and then collapsing back into drug addiction and reckless behavior? 3? 4?
He never did grow up or become mature tho. Just some progress here and there, but there were still lingering issues that had to be resolved.
Eh I feel like it's a punitive justice vs restorative justice sort of thing. Everyone ought to have access to the support BoJack has, even if they're an asshole. You don't wanna become a means-testing technocrat with how we should help people.
Like even from the most emotionless utilitarian perspective, the world would be better if BoJack's illnesses were treated and the harm he caused others was reduced, regardless of how "deserving" he is of our empathy.
oh definitely, 100%
I just wouldn't say bojack is bad because it doesn't do what all shows should do
I agree I just think this line of criticism is of hollywood and corporate media itself rather than any individual show.
Matt hated it, though he has by far the worst taste in media out of any of the hosts.
In reality, the concept was stale after 1.5 seasons, but Netflix milked it for 6.
Netflix didn't milk it for 6 seasons, they cut it short after 6 seasons because the crew unionized
It should have ended after 2, labor struggle doesn't change that.
Why should it have ended after two? It didn't even get worse after two seasons, at least in most people's opinion
It was petty repetitive. I think season 5 was where the show lost me. Plus I had some incredibly annoying roommates who learned all the wrong lessons from the show.
Plus I had some incredibly annoying roommates who learned all the wrong lessons from the show.
I'd appreciate if you expanded on that.
They were just terrible roommates (made huge messes and didnt pick up after themselves, one moved their girlfriend in). Most of them managed to love the show despite being conservative or centrist, and they just weren't fun to be around. Like they had strong issues with depression and substance abuse and didn't do anything to work on it.
Like I donno, I doubt the show existing or not existing would have changed shit about them but I still associate it with them.
It was the same themes and narrative over and over. Bojack just going through cycles of being a piece of shit, getting hit with consequences, learning and growing, some event happening & then him collapsing back into shit again.
I only needed to see this once or twice, not six times.
Because it was shitty after 2 seasons. The concept got old, very quickly. Once he made The Secretariat film, that was that.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis!
hate is a strong word, but I think people here don't enjoy sucking it off as some sort of artistic masterpiece, when it's just another attempt at 'serious adult animation' with slightly more character development that what we've come to expect
Imo the fact that it gets so much praise, just shows how shallow popular culture is in general, that a show with even a shred of emotional relevancy, gets elevated as high(netflix astroturfing helped) as bjh did
I enjoy it and never suggested otherwise, however I was answering your question which was 'What is it with Chapo fans and hating Bojack Horseman'
What does? that people aren't praising it as the greatest show to ever show?
No, that when a show is popular people feel like they need to have a strong opinion of it one way or the other even if it was just average to them.
Nah everyone does it
edit: I didn't mean this as like an attack on fans of the podcast, I was just confused by why they have this very specific opinion