Watching Indiana Jones right now, and Marians comments like "I was just a child" and Jones' falling out with her father seem to indicate that Jones fondled a child in the story. Which... uh. What the hell? It's not even like a big part of the plot, it's just thrown in
It was baked into the background of the characters early on they wanted the age difference to be way bigger, have it start at 11/12 before settling on 15, and calling her "promiscuous" and framing it like it like she seduced him. Creepy old dudes writing out their horrid sex fantasies
Oh look I almost had some faith in Speilberg when he thought 12 was a bit young, but then he suggested that it's fine because she came unto him
All directors are sex pests.
That's more from the book, where Alan Grant is supposed to be like forty or something and Sattler is his twenty-two year old grad student. Laura Dern and Sam Neil look a lot closer in age, and they never say she's a grad student, so I'd say the movie actually fixed the creepy relationship.
I guess he looks older, but she doesn't look 22 or anything. An undercurrent of their relationship is that she wants to have kids someday and is feeling out whether he wants them too, and it's not certain that their relationship can last into the long term if he doesn't.
Sam Neill has always looked mid 50s. I assume it's cuz of too much Aussie sun (only half joking).
Really cuz to me it looked like Neill was a bit older than Dern but only but five or six years or so.
Turns out Dern was actually like 20 years younger. Guess she just looks old for her age 🤷♂️
I only noticed on a recent rewatch, as a kid they just registered as "adults" to me
Even now i see Laura Dern in that movie as a 30 something in good shape and Neill as a guy in his later 40s, so yeah I never thought it was a creepy age gap personally.
Harrison Ford is insanely rape-y in Empire Strikes Back and in Blade Runner. Now I find out Indiana Jones is a pedo.
It’s very cool and normal that he’s made out to be a cool hero in every film while also being creepy as fuck
I love that Ford was Kubrick's first choice for the lead in eyes wide shut. Also that the character's name is litterally a direct nod to ford.
You know how sometimes you just try to force your brain not to correlate two obviously connected facts?
On screen it's not mentioned I think at least. I wonder if it got filmed and editors rightfully cut it out. Karen Allen was 30 during filming, and Ford was 39.
I recently realized my great grandmother was married at 14 and had a child at 15 and I was shook.
Is it? I thought most people, while very young, married other very young people. It was just a common belief that large age gaps were common.
This is a pretty big sticking point with how gross Joe Smith is in the Exmormon community, though not the same time period as Indiana Jones.
I mean, elvis was 25 when he married a 14 year old. That kinda age gap was common in general at the us up until like the 80s i think.
For hollywlld though it would appear things are still today still abit more skewed.
I did a bit of googling and although I'm sure there are outliers, it looks like most first time marriages were at 21 for women and 24 for men in the 1920s. So, it's definitely creepy for the more than 10 years between the characters of Marion and Indy, even if Hollywood thinks it's normal.
Yeah, almost none of our beloved 80s classics hold up to modern scrutiny. To the point where I don't even wanna show them to young family members.
Empire Strikes Back has horrible messaging about consent between Solo and Leia
Damn wtf. I haven't watched the Star Wars in a very long while, could you refresh my memory on that bit?
Han posts up and starts feeling up on the princess and she multiple times asks him to stop and leave her alone. This is during a period where they are trapped on a ship together for an extended period of time.
https://www.mic.com/articles/186792/does-the-best-star-wars-movie-hold-up-in-the-metoo-era-lets-ask-han-solo
https://www.theloquitur.com/pop-culture-perpetuates-dating-violence/
Alien and Aliens I think do.
I noticed John Carpenter movies pretty much don’t have women characters.
I think Carpenter can't write women well, so he just... doesn't.
Sometimes that's good - like part of the appeal of The Thing is that it avoids so many horror tropes (not about teens, no sex to punish people for, etc.), plus you get to have fun arguments about the meaning of The Thing as a metaphor for female presence breaking down a male circle. I tend to think those arguments are navel gazing, and that it's much more about the general breakdown of societal trust, but I've seen the argument.
Good call on alien, that did have specific feminist influence on the writing process
I am thinking of an interview where they said one of the ideas they wanted was tk make a movie where men could legitimately feel thr fears of rape and pregnancy. That's a crazy move for the time as well though. I hadn't known that one
This isn't even an important part of the story. Its like one line that they just put in there which totally recontextualizes the character.
70s? but yeah, actually that one holds up.
Oddly I think the Schwarzenegger Connan holds up pretty well to. Not perfect, but way better than star wars
First blood was in 82.
How about this? Instead of First Blood is First Bud, and it’s about the first time a veteran comes home and smokes weed.
Nah, fuck that, the first Rambo movie is great and shouldn't be fucked with. The guy is just passing by when the pigs assault him for no reason so he kills the shit out of them, it's amazing. The only downside is he tries to get rid of them without killing anyone, but realistically it makes perfect sense the guy would try to just disengage instead of throwing his life away just to kill a couple of pigs.
If you want to say “what the hell” continuously, try watching Temple of Doom.
I rewatched the first three movies about a year ago and holy shit was Temple of Doom bad. It's not only the weakest one out of the original trilogy as far as cinematography and dramaturgy goes, the racism is just completely over the top. I was also under the impression that their ability of being able to write women with some actual agency took a complete nosedive in that one, but that was before the OP made me aware of the supposed age difference between Indy and Marian, like wth man.
It's rather famous that both Spielberg and Lucas had just gone through bad breakups before Temple, and for sure it's got that feel.
Temple of Doom has some of my favorite kills (the rock crusher, the magic lava ceremony, the alligators) but boyyyy is it shot through with veins of White Savior Complex and Women Be Nagging.
Pay particular attention to the nature of his relationship with Short Round
I never really noticed before, and now it's totally ruining the story for me.
Honestly why the FUCK did they have to add that? like the movies are fine otherwise... They had to make it fucked up for no reason.
It adds nothing to the story. Its just there. Like if the new Avengers movie had a post credit scene of Iron man getting brought up on sexual harassment charges.
Holy shit that would be so funny it would actually make me interested to see these movies
The directors and writers of Disney movies have a vested interest in not reminding you that sex pest acts can be prosecuted.
Just toss in the [to be continued] music while it freeze frames on his face and it would be perfect. No more iron man goodbye.
He receives the notice in the mail and then Roundabout by Yes starts playing.
Fine?
Lol he’s literally an imperialist looting indigenous treasures “for a museum”, but it’s fine because the Nazis would do it if we didn’t.
He has Asian and Arab and indigenous sidekicks that are played for laughs as stereotypes and often die grueling deaths for no reason.
The movie shows how all his female students oggling him make him cool and masculine.
true, and I agree, but thats not out of the ordinary for 80s action movies (not to excuse it to be clear) but indiana being a pedophile is.
I've been replaying my favorite game from when I was a kid, Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, and I gotta say, it holds up well. The platforming is fun, the environments, despite the limitations of the N64, are beautifully designed and iconic. and the treasures are visually ultra-satisfying: Golden idols and big chunky gemstones in bright primary colors There's a part where you refract light through different colored crystals, and it still turns me into drooling awestruck baby. This and The Mummy are probably what gave me my treasure obsession and led me to become a sculptor.
The plot is that you're scouring the ancient places of the world looking for the scattered tombs of four Babylonian alchemists who built a machine that would access...Heaven? Hell? The Warp? I haven't got to the end yet, but it all seems very Lovecraftian. You're also trying to find this machine before the Soviets do, so they provide an enemy for the gunplay and a target for Indy's hilariously virulent anticommunism. All in all really fun game and a prime example of that 1990s Lucasarts magic. I'm actually learning Unreal Engine now because I want more of this game and goddamnit, I'm willing to do it myself.
Anyway I think that would have been a cooler movie than Temple of Doom.
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