: The causes of the current Russia-Ukraine conflict are complex and go back years
: NO, IT'S SIMPLE, PUTLER BAD!: That guy is literally a Nazi, and he should be shunned and punished for participating in atrocities
: Actually, it's a lot more complicated than that!Do you think they've realized it'll eventually become obvious that Nazis are running Ukraine now and they need to convince people that Nazis are actually good guys?
I think that was always the plan in some way. The press's inability to not regularly publish Nazi imagery indicate that either it is a way bigger Nazi problem over there than most of us were acknowledging (which I think is partly the case) and/or whomever arranged for these press embeddings did so with the intention of platforming Nazis.
When I first saw this I thought it was too much of a stretch even for satire. Oh how wrong I was.
Me, an educated liberal who understands nuance and a delicate critique of the human condition: "Just because you were conducting an industrial scale eugenics program across Eastern Europe in cooperation with a bunch of German secret police, doesn't mean you were actually a member of a German-originated partisan nationalist movement."
Also me: "Do not attempt to deny the Uighur genocide. We must liberate Xinjiang at all costs. The only good removed is a dead removed."
me watching history get revised in real time over the past 2 weeksspoiler
also i know we had a fucking emoji of sus jerma grabbing his own hair in agony but i can't remember what the fuck it was called what was it
This has been a 70 years long struggle in Canada, they've been whitewashing the Galizien division for at least that long. This is the first time ANYTHING happened of any consequence (the speaker resigning and some discourse on the Grits) to the promotion of nazi shit here and this is the pushback.
Canada is such a nice polite country. Just don't ask about their multi-generations long project to nurture Nazi counter-insurgencies or their ongoing genocidal wars against First Nations people or what their mining companies are doing across the world or...
Yea, even when there was a spat of people correctly labeling Nazi monuments with spray paint there really wasn't that much of a reaction when people learned about their existence. The cops were even going to investigate one as a "hate crime". Of course they're all still standing to the best of my knowledge, and (un)surprisingly I haven't really heard anything about them during this round of people learning of Canada's love affair with "former" members of the ss
I drove past one of them today! They did a great job removing the spray paint. It looks like new. What a relief.
I'm glad the radical left hasn't done any permanent damage to bronze statues, like using nitric acid to eat the copper.
“One of the ways of getting into Canada during the postwar period ‘was by showing the SS tattoo,’ Canadian historian Irving Abella told 60 Minutes interviewer Mike Wallace. ‘This proved that you were an anti-Communist.’”
How are we so far into this dumb war and everyone still believes in the smol bean widdle innocent Ukraine mythos? I needed two fucking minutes on wikipedia to see that they were huge Nazi collaborators who did participate in genocide. They were literally some of the people doing the war crimes depicted in Come and See.
I built a mind palace to justify the economic hegemony that makes it so I can be a historically illiterate liberal, don't kill the mood with things like "truth."
Yeah, but Come and See commits the great sin of pointing out that fascism is a manifestation of class conflict, not just the random killing of jews that no one could possibly see coming.
When you want to own Putin so badly for 4 years of Trump being rude on twitter you end up supporting nazis
Ok but "when history is complicated, it can be a gift to propagandists who exploit the appeal of simplicity" is a good bit, im gonna steal that and use it on people who start talking shit about the USSR
look, it's very simple actually: everyone that america has ever fought has been basically a nazi, except the actual nazis, who were just patriots fighting against social degeneration and communism.
Its great too because there are few words liberals love more than "nuance"
It's not clickbait, the author really is just stupid. Or malicious.
He makes the case that since the unit Hunka served in wasn't convicted of war crimes, he was just an innocent soul who had to make a choice between two evils. He's equating the USSR and Nazi Germany.
Edit: I thought the Russia brainworms in the article were just a lib being a lib, but this guy is a pro at it. He used to work for the UK military as an advisor/consultant surrounding Russia, and now leads the "Conflict Studies Research Centre, a group of subject matter experts in Eurasian security." Writing about how bad Russia is has been his life's work
CSRC's members are drawn from among staff of the UK Ministry of Defence's former open source research groups, the Advanced Research and Assessment Group (ARAG) and Research and Assessment Branch (R&AB).
All of the Waffen SS without exception was charged with war crimes at Nuremburg. Canada had their own special commission in the 80s that was not allowed to cite the Nuremburg trial and that's probably what he was referring to. Hunkas unit was in the Waffen SS despite the name change in 1945. Hunka himself joined in 1943, he wasn't caught up in stuff - also, true Ukrainian patriots joined the Red Army to liberate their homeland not the invading Nazi German army. The Red Army had plenty of Ukranians in it in WW2, it's not like they were confused who they should fight unless... th3y were nazis.
One incredible attempt at whitewashing Hunka was someone saying that Hunka maybe didn't have enough information that the nazis were bad.
I was flabbergasted. Hunka joined in 19-fuckin-43. Nazis raped and burned villages, shot people in mass graves left and right, literally killed millions of civilians in those years - how could you possibly say that someone from the Eastern front was unaware that nazis were "not good"? what the fuckin fuck
unlike Nazi Germany, leaders and soldiers of the Soviet Union were never put on trial for their war crimes
All the Nazi leaders were tried for war crimes, right?Also, the USSR did prosecute its own soldiers for war crimes where those occured
But they werent put on trial by us, the rightful rulers of the Earth
As a general rule I do think war crimes should be tried by other countries, not the home country of the the war criminal. Like, I trust the USSR to convict their war criminals much more than most, but it’s a bad precedent. American soldiers should only and always be allowed to be tried by other countries.
Not particularly relevant to the situation at hand, just a tangent.
Sure, but like a thousand Red Army soldiers were executed on those grounds. Meanwhile see how the US handled Japanese war criminals.
I am more trusting of a conviction than an exonneration here
American soldiers should only and always be allowed to be tried by other countries.
Well this is why America openly promises to invade the international criminal court if an American is ever tried there. Just like they openly promise to do a "preemptive" nuclear strike if they see fit. No other country promises such things, nor would they get away with promising such things.
I also don't feel the same urgency to prosecute the people resisting nazi occupation and the holocaust. It's not a 2 way street.
Liberals: "Well acktchually just because they were in the Waffen SS as a foot soldier who is documented to have murdered civilians while serving in an official capacity that doesn't mean they were a Nazi and that doesn't mean they deserve punshiment. History is very complicated"
Also Liberals: "Well acktchually that black man deserved to be brutalized by police because he was walking in a neighborhood that he didn't live in! Society is not complicated at all"
“There’s a lot of complicated reasons for why a German soldier would’ve flooded a gas chamber with Zyklon-B that don’t necessarily make them a Nazi”
Did you ever consider that he might have suffered from imposter syndrome?
Next:
"Being a member of the Nazi Party does not make you a Nazi, even if you were completely unrepentant after the war and did nothing to try to justify why you would be not a Nazi." By a Heidegger scholar
When history is complicated, it can be a gift to propagandists who exploit the appeal of simplicity
and an even bigger gift to corporate media propagandists who will exploit people's lack of historical awareness to support fascism!The best propaganda has always been the truth, which is really inconvenient for some people.
liberals are the lowest, filthiest, slimiest creatures on planet earth
this one?
