"ummm if he really cared he would pass M4A"
ok cool yea thank you cis man, can i just be happy for 5 minutes that the bare minimum is being done and there's finally some pro-trans shit in the public eye
i hate the left sometimes :deeper-sadness:
The correct take is to celebrate the good and call out the bad. That's the correct take for everyone. Do it with Marx. Do it with Bernie. Do it with Biden. Shit Trump did a couple of things that were at least funny enough to say "yeah alright we'll take that."
Like Biden is going to do PLENTY of bad. It's fine to point out the rare occasion he does something good. Folks need to chill out and get material. Let folks celebrate when Biden does a good thing
No you should not apply the same standards to Marx, Bernie, Biden, and Trump. It is fine to acknowledge the good and bad in all, but there is a fundamental difference between doing a good thing with bad intentions and doing a good thing with good intentions, and in the case of the former the lauds should always be tempered so as not to be a stooge.
"Can't I just be placated by this thing my enemy did specifically to placate me?"
Yes you can, but its unhelpful. The point of you being thrown this bone by sleepytime prez is to soothe you off to dreamland, and you are asking if its alright to just close you're eyes just for a second to rest them. No! Get up! We have to leave in 10 minutes!
Yeah I was going to post something like this but you nailed it.
The action is objectively great. A man is the the sum of his actions and his heart still weighs significantly more than a feather
Goddamn what a great way to put how I have been feeling about this.
The point of you being thrown this bone by sleepytime prez is to soothe you off to dreamland
As opposed to what? Like, is this just some Tinkerbell shit, where Joe Biden will drop dead if we say "I don't believe in Liberals" enough times?
So much of these reactions are just warmed over The Secret for Leftists.
The Secret is an individualized strategy. One person saying "I don't believe in liberals" is inconsequential, but if enough people say it in unison we can manifest that sucker
so i live in an area with transgender discrimination laws and have been discriminated against, on video, and i went to like 15 attorneys to get something done about it. it would have been in civil court and id have to pay 2k out of pocket to get things going. lol. all the attorneys agreed that it was a case of discrimination that would likely win. i just didnt have 2k to blow for a 'likely win'. and really even if i won, all i could get out of it was damages and the 2k back. so maybe i'd get 500 bucks out of the whole ordeal, and the doctor wouldnt have been fucked over at all. no hits to his license or insurance or anything. he could pay 2.5k off pretty fast. just the time effort alone means id just be better off plugging in extra hours at work and not stressing myself out about legal stuff.
so yeah, discrimination laws are meaningless. maybe a bit more useful if youre discriminated against at work so your damages will be higher. but in everyday stuff like going to doctors and stuff? lol. useless.
i dont see any of this as positive due to my lived experience. now, if they make surgeries cheaper or free or force every insurance company to cover it and all other trans positive procedures, i'll start to be happy. and i 9000% doubt theyll ever change how discrimination is dealt with in this country.
but hey, at least they arent threatening to make trans hrt illegal like some of trump's people were ranting about.
So sorry you dealt with this.
Related/unrelated, I had my wisdom teeth extracted by an intern (went as well as you expect), who butchered the situation and left me in the ER. Genuinely felt like I was dying. Bless those doctors though as they did fix me up without any money out of pocket (or ever which I'll always have guilt for). After the medical bills started coming in, "helpful friends" kept saying "this is just a lawsuit, you'll win in a heartbeat"
Which, cool! Except no lawyer would work with me without a hefty down payment (unsure if that's the term). So I was just fucked. For 7 years, I dodged phone calls and had shit credit.
The system sucks for poor people. And I sympathize so much with non-rich trans folks, for whom treatments/surgeries just aren't an option.
yeah i have nerve damage from one procedure and all the medical tests i'd need to legally prove i have nerve damage would exceed 5k and then i'd have to pay legal fees, stress out, hope i win the case, and then if i win all i'd get is nerve damage test costs+legal fees+the money to cover a new surgery to deal with nerve damage (WHICH INCLUDES YOUR INSURANCE :agony-consuming: )
whoever thought our legal system should function like a fucking gambling machine should be redacted
this. there's literally no point to these laws. because they're not "real" (beat up the poor, maintain exploitative social order and stratification of classes) laws, so the criminal system gives zero fucks about them.
the laws themselves are fine and good, not at all the issue. the issue is that the system by which the mechanism these laws are utilized with is held behind a paywall.
if that mechanism were available regardless of current capitalism-score, the laws would be far more real.
the fact that anti discrimination laws exist isnt adequate protection, but it is better than the absence of those laws, let alone laws codifying the discrimination as have previously existed
edit: not that discriminatory laws dont still exist, they do
Fuck anyone who says you’re not allowed to be glad things are getting better for marginalized people. Just because he was a shitty candidate and he’s still going to be a bad president doesn’t mean nothing good can happen.
In hell world we must learn when to take the Ws when we can because they are rare. As others here have said, sometimes shitty people do good things, and it's okay to critique them in good faith while also allowing yourself to be happy for positive things. I've been overly cynical most of my life and it's exhausting tbh. I probably always will be, but something I've been working on is just not having to criticize every single thing when it's completely unnecessary, it doesn't help me at all.
But if I ever express a positive emotion, strangers online will think I'm a liberal, which is basically the worst thing that can happen.
You don't have to worry about that @Liberalism, I have another way of knowing FOR SURE that you're a liberal...
You're posting on chapo.chat of course!
It gave me two notifications for this because you both replied and tagged me, is that supposed to happen
Ngl, I’m relieved Trump is gone and Biden is doing SOME good things. Call me a Lib, but not having to hear or see that motherfucker has been a net positive.
Acting like America is good now and everything is perfect: cringe
Being happy when good things come out of this situation: not cringe
I feel this to, but the amount of liberal cringe I’ve seen in the last week is making it hard
Yeah, this shit is good. LGBT stuff is the one thing Biden does seem pretty good on.
Obviously M4A is the endgame but he's already pretty solid on the LGBT side of things. Hell, he was the more progressive one in the Obama White House in regards to that.
yeah, trump is fucking horrible. the problem is that biden is also horrible, and there was a big shining light on it that now has dimmed, because every small positive thing biden does will hailed as some kind of giant progress, when in reality it's like crumb for starving people. watching them patch the cracks in the infrastructure of capitalism just means that it will continue to last a little longer.
we don't have to be nice to libs. we need to bully them and show them facts until they hate themselves enough to not be libs.
I'm happy about it too, and cissies are assuming because I'm happy I suddenly think Biden isn't some nightmare refined out of the board ofBbank of America? They are wrong
excuse you sweaty, but biden is cancelled and cannot ever do anything good or correct ever, not even by accident. it is obviously irrelevant what the action taken is because he is a badman and that means the well is tainted, critical support is not allowed! this is the only way a goodboy materialist like myself can view the subject😤
preedit edit: just :LIB: things
uh, no, it is not.
my support of antidiscriminatory laws is critical, because their usage is, as discussed elsewhere in thread, prohibitive to enforce for the people that need them most.
my support of biden in passing such a measure is then further critical because of the bread-and-circus nature of it.
but yall acting like it isnt still a good thing that should be praised, despite all those faults? yall can suck my whole ass
i mean, would you celebrate if hitler did some trans positive shit? like yeah sure its good but he's also a disgusting human being.
Yeah it would've unironically actually been cool if Hitler gave trans people rights instead of gassing them. Same goes for everyone else he put in camps.
This argument is "what if Hitler was a completely different person with an entirely different ideology and did good things"
its okay to point out he did a non-awful thing, and recognize that usually your villains aren't cartoonish charicatures.
but laws don't help you. they're not for you. there's no point in cumming about them.
