you will never have a fair competition because all people are born different - people have differing testosterone levels, differing body builds, differing muscles mass, etc. most competitive sports are plagued with doping because hard work only takes you so far before your body hits its limit.
just let the olympics and shit be a showcase and celebration of what humans can accomplish, fuck it make doping legal as well, i wanna see how wild humans can get
Honestly, legalizing doping would be terrible. Under capitalism, it would just result in poor people being forced onto a bunch of drugs and then thrown at each other in sports arenas for the chance at a livable income...before they die in their thirties.
That is what it is already isn't it? They just keep inventing new undetectable drugs to stay ahead of the tests and don't die usually.
Doping is a problem but still not universal, and even the ones that do don't completely go ham with it because otherwise they would be detected.
If you say "fuck it, doping is cool and good now" you'll basically just kill a bunch of kids. You don't solve a problem by saying fuck it, I don't think it is a problem any more.
Not at lower levels, which is where most athletes are anyway. I'm sure the odd high schooler is doping, but that'd shoot way up if it was unbanned and scholarships were still on the line.
At the lower levels sure. But in Australia doping is pretty extensive in the upper high school levels, especially since many Olympians are competing while still in school (Ian Thorpe (who probably didn't dope) started with the Australian team at 14). Not so much in Football and Rugby, but its growing too.
(Source: Am Molecular Biology Grad and know people in the Sports Sciences.)
I mean.....saying something would be terrible because it would be fucked up under capitalism is kinda....not saying anything.....everything is fucked up when mixed when capitalism.....what's your take on legalized doping in a theoretical FALGSC society?
Still not great, it's really easy to use to exploit people, and it would basically become mandatory to dope in order to succeed in competitive sports and not get annihilated by the 2.5 meter tall, 200 kilograms of pure muscle 19 year old about to tackle your ass.
Don't make doping legal. It will infest all sports, way worse than it already has, down to little fucking kids.
Oh your kid wants to play soccer? Sorry he just got kicked in half by the 200lb freak 12 year old who's gonna be dead by 25.
Every football game has one kid torn in half like in Not Another Teen Movie
We can solve the problem by only allowing trans people to compete in any sports
not to mention the time/money it takes to train. privileged folks can spend heaps of time/money training if their upbringing is secure.
Also, the training some children are put through at such young ages often crosses the line to outright child abuse.
i know your heart's in the right place, but suggesting we do away with competition in sports and everyone goes home with a blue ribbon instead so athletes like myself don't feel left out is one of the most patronizing and infantilizing ideas I hear constantly. all it would accomplish is pissing everyone off (including me) and make me feel even more isolated, like my presence is the only reason no one can compete and have fun anymore. i play smash these days, and if someone suggested we include items and stop counting stocks and everyone just have fun, we'd all last ten minutes before walking away to never to play the game again.
i endorse this, and i don't endorse blue ribbons. its all built on bullshit. the idea that anyone could work hard and excell in any sport. there are genetic (and especially epigenetic) advantages. always. there are quirks of circumstance. always.
acknowledge that there is no perfectly 'fair', and the whole myth is bullsiht. now who wants to see two fuckers beat the fuck out of each other?
Those capitalist brain worms really run deep. You're right it shouldn't be about winning or losing just having fun and bonding. I know I wouldn't mind hanging out with some comrades to play some soccer irl, if it wasn't for covid at least, or ultimate frisbee or whatever y'all play.
Those capitalist brain worms really run deep.
Were the original Greek Olympics a byproduct of capitalism?
With how similar I keep hearing Rome and the past were to now I wouldn't put it past it. Call it capitalism call it imperialism same difference. The past people didn't do things just because but because of material interests like they do now. Maybe more educated peeps here can explain but that is my hunch.
Soccer is the people's game (but other stuff is cool too)
Anything that only takes one object to play is my kind of game since I can't afford equipment.
Sounds like fun but the medical bills and I don't like hurting others but you do you.
Didn't mean to judge or imply anything. If you like mma then great. Sorry if I came off weird or something.
Female former professional athlete here, let trans people compete.
fuck it make doping legal as well, i wanna see how wild humans can get
i would also like to see someone run the 100 metres in 5 seconds flat
Because most people just want to grill and if you ruin the integrity of the game you'll breed resentment aganst regular transpeople who arent star athletes
I feel like comparing hormone therapy and roided out hypermasculinity is a super bad idea
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ah yes im sure you're commenting in good faith
doping is only "hypermasculinity" if you code winning as masculine.
...youre fucking with me, right? Point is giving shit to humans that we give to horses that generally dont last long is a bad idea
I've been thinking about this, specifically the comments that point out that the whole reason women's leagues exist is because women were banned from the traditional leagues (which reminds me of the Negro Leagues, and we got rid of those. Which, I bet there was the exact same sort of rhetoric about letting black people into white-controlled spaces that we see about letting trans people into cis-controlled spaces) and also the comments about how sports should just be about having a good time with your buds and not vicious competition.
Now that last point is dead wrong. We all know the real point of sports: finding the first superfit person who will be our champion against the Dark Lord who rules over us all.
And I see a lot of comments about science, and I'm sure I don't need to spell out the point of science: building the weapon our champion will use to kill the Dark Lord. (which I don't want to wade into the whole "why don't we just get wizards to enchant a sword" debate. Obviously this would be ideal, but if we still had magic then the Dark Lord could never rule over us. Magic has died out, and wizards with it, so we have to use science instead, that's just the way it is.)
You're asking: Comrade, why have you spelled out these very obvious points that everyone knows?
Well, in short, I am calling for an immediate end to segregation along any lines in athletic competition. Only if all people, regardless of who they are, or how old they are, or how fit they are, are entered into the great challenge can we find our champion. They could be anyone, after all, who knows what form a superfit person might take? Perhaps a two-month old will be our savior, wielding the double-H bomb against our Enemy. Perhaps an 87 year old.
Seriously though, it is silly to keep trans people out of women's leagues (though I guess I am legitimately opposed to the existence of women's and men's leagues if integration is possible. Unless there's good arguments in favor of them? I guess I haven't heard any but outside of reading a few articles I don't really know that much about these issues. I just wanted to say something silly about wizards). So many people just cannot accept that gender is a social construct.
And also I'd legitimately disagree with the comments calling for a total end to competition. While competition doesn't need to be cutthroat, friendly competition or even rivalry can be good. Plus, some people like doing sports, and some people like watching sports, and I don't see why that should end. Change it's shape, sure, the world organized under communism would look very different, but surely it'd still exist in some form.
just let the olympics and shit be a showcase and celebration of what humans can accomplish, fuck it make doping legal as well, i wanna see how wild humans can get
This kind of mindset is ruining professional sports. How about we don't encourage drug abuse even more?
